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Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Defective Concrete Blocks: Discussion (Resumed) (8 May 2024)

Rose Conway-Walsh: I know, but Mr. Rafferty is talking about expediency and making it efficient. We are building all these houses and we do not have the homeowners' engineer and we have taken the science out of it. We are not going to get a review of this until 2025 and by the time the changes are made, we could be at the end of that year or into 2026. What happens if all the homes that are being rebuilt...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Defective Concrete Blocks: Discussion (Resumed) (8 May 2024)

Rose Conway-Walsh: I know, but what is happening-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Defective Concrete Blocks: Discussion (Resumed) (8 May 2024)

Rose Conway-Walsh: The IS 465 is obviously not fit for purpose. Putting the affordability of the scheme to one side, I have deep concerns about what is happening with respect to the science of it. Many of the homeowners have had to pursue the science around it. I have a question that has been asked by a homeowner. The damage threshold, the scientific evidence that was required in the 90:10 scheme, does not...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Defective Concrete Blocks: Discussion (Resumed) (8 May 2024)

Rose Conway-Walsh: I am not talking about one specific case.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Defective Concrete Blocks: Discussion (Resumed) (8 May 2024)

Rose Conway-Walsh: There are so many issues to discussed on this. With the damage threshold, it is now a case of just a visual sighting of it and people are being refused on the basis of the cracks in the wall not being wide enough. Why is the Department prolonging the suffering of homeowners who want to get on with rebuilding their lives? If they know what they have in their blocks and have the testing done,...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Defective Concrete Blocks: Discussion (Resumed) (8 May 2024)

Rose Conway-Walsh: Was this being the right way to go discussed in all the technical committees that Mr. Wickham has been part of?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Defective Concrete Blocks: Discussion (Resumed) (8 May 2024)

Rose Conway-Walsh: I would like to refer to the report of 2017. Mr. Wickham is saying that the expert panel did not commission or carry out any tests on the buildings or building materials and was dependent on the technical information supplied directly by the homeowners and concerned parties, and the panel had no responsibility for the accuracy of technical reports. It seems like nobody is taking...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Defective Concrete Blocks: Discussion (Resumed) (8 May 2024)

Rose Conway-Walsh: Yes.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Defective Concrete Blocks: Discussion (Resumed) (8 May 2024)

Rose Conway-Walsh: How much research is being carried out right now?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Defective Concrete Blocks: Discussion (Resumed) (8 May 2024)

Rose Conway-Walsh: Is Mr. Wickham satisfied that the scope of the research is what he set out to do and wanted to capture?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Defective Concrete Blocks: Discussion (Resumed) (8 May 2024)

Rose Conway-Walsh: I need to go back because I want to let my colleague in and I have to go into Taoiseach's questions. I want to go back to the front-loading of the grant applications. The homeowners in Mayo were asking for a 20% grant allocation to rebuild their homes, which must be available up front. Some 50% of the accommodation rental costs and full storage costs were to be paid up front to the...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Defective Concrete Blocks: Discussion (Resumed) (8 May 2024)

Rose Conway-Walsh: So the Minister basically needs to change the legislation if the scheme is to be fit for purpose, so that everybody can access it and people can get an up-front payment where they are not-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Business of Joint Committee (8 May 2024)

Rose Conway-Walsh: I nominate Deputy Steven Matthews.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Defective Concrete Blocks: Discussion (Resumed) (8 May 2024)

Rose Conway-Walsh: It is just made on a yearly basis.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Defective Concrete Blocks: Discussion (Resumed) (8 May 2024)

Rose Conway-Walsh: Is Mr. Rafferty aware that people are locked out of the scheme because they cannot afford it?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Defective Concrete Blocks: Discussion (Resumed) (8 May 2024)

Rose Conway-Walsh: Would Mr. Rafferty like to hear from homeowners with exact quotes about what they have been allocated?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Defective Concrete Blocks: Discussion (Resumed) (8 May 2024)

Rose Conway-Walsh: Obviously, it is not getting through in the communication because we have a whole list of things that need to be done to put the scheme right. I do not see any changes being made to address the issues that have been raised by the homeowners in Mayo. I know similar issues have been raised in Donegal.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Defective Concrete Blocks: Discussion (Resumed) (8 May 2024)

Rose Conway-Walsh: They are locked out because they cannot financially afford to access it.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Defective Concrete Blocks: Discussion (Resumed) (8 May 2024)

Rose Conway-Walsh: I had to rush off to Taoiseach's Questions but I have a few questions. When was pyrrhotite first mentioned within the Department? When did the Department become aware there was a possibility of pyrrhotite and that it was not just mica or pyrite?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Defective Concrete Blocks: Discussion (Resumed) (8 May 2024)

Rose Conway-Walsh: Is Mr. Wickham absolutely certain pyrrhotite was not discussed within the Department until 2021?

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