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Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Update on Construction of New National Children's Hospital: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board (25 Sep 2024)

David Cullinane: No success.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Update on Construction of New National Children's Hospital: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board (25 Sep 2024)

David Cullinane: There is €500 million additional money allocated to the project. There was total expenditure of €1.7 billion, which increased to €2.2 billion. As we know, the Cabinet signed off on €500 million more. Where did that €500 million go? Where is it?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Update on Construction of New National Children's Hospital: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board (25 Sep 2024)

David Cullinane: Has it been allocated?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Update on Construction of New National Children's Hospital: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board (25 Sep 2024)

David Cullinane: What is the €500 million for?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Update on Construction of New National Children's Hospital: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board (25 Sep 2024)

David Cullinane: Mr. Gunning has told us the board will not pay BAM any more money and he is also saying the board has €500 million more-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Update on Construction of New National Children's Hospital: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board (25 Sep 2024)

David Cullinane: I know, but €500 million more has been allocated. I am asking whether, within this €500 million envelope, provision is made that includes the possibility of having to pay more for some of the claims, whether it is because of High Court judgments, conciliation or because an agreement was reached.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Update on Construction of New National Children's Hospital: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board (25 Sep 2024)

David Cullinane: I will take that as a "Yes".

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Update on Construction of New National Children's Hospital: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board (25 Sep 2024)

David Cullinane: I can understand that because there is a live negotiation, or not a negotiation as such-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Update on Construction of New National Children's Hospital: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board (25 Sep 2024)

David Cullinane: I am making the point that €500 million was made available. I would imagine, and I would even take an inference from the response I got, that built into it is provision for a settlement but we have not got there. It is very frustrating for all of us. We have the June deadline and the completion date next year, which I assume will not be met and it will be pushed out. What is the...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Update on Construction of New National Children's Hospital: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board (25 Sep 2024)

David Cullinane: But if it only applies-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Update on Construction of New National Children's Hospital: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board (25 Sep 2024)

David Cullinane: Here is my point. Mr. Gunning told us in his opening statement the contractor has committed only 64% of resources to reach the targets since September or October last year. Obviously it has lost time. It states it will complete this by June. Mr. Gunning must have some estimation. If it were to provide 100% of what it states it can provide, what would be the timeframe it could reach? Mr....

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Update on Construction of New National Children's Hospital: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board (25 Sep 2024)

David Cullinane: Is Mr. Gunning telling me today that the contractor is still telling him and the Government that it will have the hospital completed in June of next year?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Update on Construction of New National Children's Hospital: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board (25 Sep 2024)

David Cullinane: It is telling him this.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Update on Construction of New National Children's Hospital: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board (25 Sep 2024)

David Cullinane: It has also given the board 14 other completion dates, which have come and gone.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Update on Construction of New National Children's Hospital: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board (25 Sep 2024)

David Cullinane: We say this all of the time because we can only speculate but I would say it is a racing certainty it will not be June next year. We are going into a further delay. I want to make this point because it is important for us as committee members to do so. I call on BAM and the contractor to do everything possible to resource this project, step up to the plate and do what they need to do....

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Update on Construction of New National Children's Hospital: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board (25 Sep 2024)

David Cullinane: Prior to that?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Update on Construction of New National Children's Hospital: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board (25 Sep 2024)

David Cullinane: I ask Mr. Gunning to supply us with the dates. My point is that every day becomes a month and becomes a year. We have been here last year and the year before. We are being asked reasonable questions by the public and the media on what more can be done. Of course the contractor has to do more. I am not convinced this strategy of having endless rows with the contractor is working. It is...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Update on Construction of New National Children's Hospital: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board (25 Sep 2024)

David Cullinane: Mr. Gunning does not recall what-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Update on Construction of New National Children's Hospital: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board (25 Sep 2024)

David Cullinane: Mr. Gunning has hit the nail on the head. The problem is we are asking what the levers are. Mr. Gunning is telling us he has all of these levers but clearly they are not sufficient. Clearly there were flaws in the contract whereby sufficient levers were not in it to allow the board, the Government and us to hold the contractor to account. What I am hearing is that we are powerless. The...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Update on Construction of New National Children's Hospital: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board (25 Sep 2024)

David Cullinane: I accept that.

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