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Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Brexit - Recent Developments and Future Negotiations: Discussion (Resumed) (25 May 2017)

John McGuinness: Will it depend on the problems that arise?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Brexit - Recent Developments and Future Negotiations: Discussion (Resumed) (25 May 2017)

John McGuinness: That is what I was coming to. Mr. Cody was making the distinction between chasing the address or chasing the guy who is laundering diesel. Revenue will have to have significant personnel on the ground to deal with all these issues such as the examination and clearance of a truck and so on. The potential cost to Revenue, therefore, is significant.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Brexit - Recent Developments and Future Negotiations: Discussion (Resumed) (25 May 2017)

John McGuinness: Revenue does not have to populate those areas and more again.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Brexit - Recent Developments and Future Negotiations: Discussion (Resumed) (25 May 2017)

John McGuinness: If someone is dealing with the clearance of a truck, whether it is groupage or a single lot from a company, Revenue will have to form a relationship with the company, which requires manpower. The organisation can have all the technology it wants.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Brexit - Recent Developments and Future Negotiations: Discussion (Resumed) (25 May 2017)

John McGuinness: It is not the computer that catches people; it is the examination.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Brexit - Recent Developments and Future Negotiations: Discussion (Resumed) (25 May 2017)

John McGuinness: He was thrown in at the deep end.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Brexit - Recent Developments and Future Negotiations: Discussion (Resumed) (25 May 2017)

John McGuinness: Is there a Brexit line in Revenue's budget for this year?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Brexit - Recent Developments and Future Negotiations: Discussion (Resumed) (25 May 2017)

John McGuinness: The organisation has scaled up and it has its ten staff in, but somebody else has to do Mr. Colgan's job. Are the other nine members of his team coming from within the organisation or are they new recruits?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Brexit - Recent Developments and Future Negotiations: Discussion (Resumed) (25 May 2017)

John McGuinness: Yes. However, are the ten staff from the system?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Brexit - Recent Developments and Future Negotiations: Discussion (Resumed) (25 May 2017)

John McGuinness: Let me give an example of a haulier who has a truck going to France via the Border. Mr. Cody has outlined the role of Revenue at the Border. What will happen when this truck crosses into Northern Ireland, travels to England and crosses to France? Could Mr. Cody say how many checks a truck would have to undergo on that journey?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Brexit - Recent Developments and Future Negotiations: Discussion (Resumed) (25 May 2017)

John McGuinness: Would it have been checked once?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Brexit - Recent Developments and Future Negotiations: Discussion (Resumed) (25 May 2017)

John McGuinness: Is that a possibility?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Brexit - Recent Developments and Future Negotiations: Discussion (Resumed) (25 May 2017)

John McGuinness: Is it not in the interests of the United Kingdom to have a transit arrangement in view of the fact that some of the trucks from the North come to Dublin or trucks coming into Wexford travel to the North?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Brexit - Recent Developments and Future Negotiations: Discussion (Resumed) (25 May 2017)

John McGuinness: I wish to focus on costs and I will put questions to either Ms Lynch or Mr. Keegan. We were trying to work out the transport costs to the exporting company. Earlier, when we were trying to extrapolate the figures, the estimated cost ranged from €320 million to €500 million. The cost to business will be significantly more regardless of what happens. Companies will have to...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Brexit - Recent Developments and Future Negotiations: Discussion (Resumed) (25 May 2017)

John McGuinness: Let us take the example of a haulier who is servicing the English market. His or her job will be to pick up a load in Kilkenny and complement that load. As a result of the fact that he or she is a groupage operator, he or she will heads towards the Border area and try to fill the container so that he or she has a full load of 50 different consignments. The driver has to have the paperwork...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Brexit - Recent Developments and Future Negotiations: Discussion (Resumed) (25 May 2017)

John McGuinness: If there is a problem with one of the consignments in that shipment, however, it will be an issue for the eight or nine other companies with goods in the container.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Brexit - Recent Developments and Future Negotiations: Discussion (Resumed) (25 May 2017)

John McGuinness: That will cause trouble for the logistics operator, which will have to be careful about what goods are picked up in order to avoid the possibility of a customs examination.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Brexit - Recent Developments and Future Negotiations: Discussion (Resumed) (25 May 2017)

John McGuinness: As I listen to the exchanges this morning, the real difficulty is for the small operator, namely, the haulier with just a few a trucks. He or she will have to have a number of different consignments and should one of them cause a problem at customs level, the other exporters who have their consignments on his or her truck will suffer a delay in terms of their being delivered to the United...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Brexit - Recent Developments and Future Negotiations: Discussion (Resumed) (25 May 2017)

John McGuinness: How aware is the Government of the issues we are discussing? Is it prepared? Is there a response unit that will assist Revenue or the exporters, not necessarily those who would qualify as EI exporters in terms of size?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Brexit - Recent Developments and Future Negotiations: Discussion (Resumed) (25 May 2017)

John McGuinness: Who should take responsibility in that regard?

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