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Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 26 - Education
2018 Report on the Accounts of the Public Services of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 7 - Purchase of Sites for School Provision
2019 Report on the Accounts of the Public Services of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 8 - Management of the Schools Estate
(7 Jul 2022)

Brian Stanley: In other words, and the point was raised earlier, where land is not zoned in the county development plan and the next one might be five years away, generally, the local authority members in an area will facilitate, where possible, and it would make sense by way of a material contravention.

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 26 - Education
2018 Report on the Accounts of the Public Services of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 7 - Purchase of Sites for School Provision
2019 Report on the Accounts of the Public Services of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 8 - Management of the Schools Estate
(7 Jul 2022)

Brian Stanley: It is good that this is happening and that there is this kind of joined-up thinking. Can Mr. Loftus come back to the Committee of Public Accounts? We will probably have a recommendation that this overarching agreement is expedited because it has been highlighted twice. It was 13 years ago now, and it is important that it is done. We will go back to the special educational needs...

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 26 - Education
2018 Report on the Accounts of the Public Services of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 7 - Purchase of Sites for School Provision
2019 Report on the Accounts of the Public Services of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 8 - Management of the Schools Estate
(7 Jul 2022)

Brian Stanley: No, the SNAs.

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 26 - Education
2018 Report on the Accounts of the Public Services of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 7 - Purchase of Sites for School Provision
2019 Report on the Accounts of the Public Services of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 8 - Management of the Schools Estate
(7 Jul 2022)

Brian Stanley: How many are there?

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 26 - Education
2018 Report on the Accounts of the Public Services of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 7 - Purchase of Sites for School Provision
2019 Report on the Accounts of the Public Services of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 8 - Management of the Schools Estate
(7 Jul 2022)

Brian Stanley: There are 19,000 at present, at the end of the school term.

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 26 - Education
2018 Report on the Accounts of the Public Services of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 7 - Purchase of Sites for School Provision
2019 Report on the Accounts of the Public Services of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 8 - Management of the Schools Estate
(7 Jul 2022)

Brian Stanley: Just a second. I want to get the overall figure. This time last year, how many were there?

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 26 - Education
2018 Report on the Accounts of the Public Services of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 7 - Purchase of Sites for School Provision
2019 Report on the Accounts of the Public Services of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 8 - Management of the Schools Estate
(7 Jul 2022)

Brian Stanley: Deputy Carthy asked for the specific number so the Department might come back to the committee with that figure.

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 26 - Education
2018 Report on the Accounts of the Public Services of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 7 - Purchase of Sites for School Provision
2019 Report on the Accounts of the Public Services of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 8 - Management of the Schools Estate
(7 Jul 2022)

Brian Stanley: That is fine. With regard to how they are allocated, I know there are always debates about this issue and the inspector over that section, Mr. Hislop, outlined the criteria and how the assessment is done. I want to highlight with regard to the allocation of funding for such schools that, as I see it, there are different levels of need and there are situations where children's level of...

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 26 - Education
2018 Report on the Accounts of the Public Services of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 7 - Purchase of Sites for School Provision
2019 Report on the Accounts of the Public Services of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 8 - Management of the Schools Estate
(7 Jul 2022)

Brian Stanley: It is good to hear that. I have been in units in special schools where children had special needs. While I do not want to be parochial about it, I could not go home today with a clear conscience not having raised that. The level of need in Kolbe is far higher. It has an extra three or four pupils coming in this September. I do not need to remind Mr. Loftus about the building, which is of...

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 26 - Education
2018 Report on the Accounts of the Public Services of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 7 - Purchase of Sites for School Provision
2019 Report on the Accounts of the Public Services of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 8 - Management of the Schools Estate
(7 Jul 2022)

Brian Stanley: I thank the witnesses for joining us and the staff of the Department for the work in preparing for the meeting. I also thank the Comptroller and Auditor General and his staff for assisting the committee today. Is it agreed that the clerk will seek any follow-up information and carry out any agreed actions arising from the meeting? Agreed. Is it also agreed that we note and publish the...

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 26 - Education
2018 Report on the Accounts of the Public Services of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 7 - Purchase of Sites for School Provision
2019 Report on the Accounts of the Public Services of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 8 - Management of the Schools Estate
(7 Jul 2022)

Brian Stanley: I remind members we will resume in private session at 1.30 p.m. to discuss a little bit of important business, after which we will resume in public session.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (7 Jul 2022)

Brian Stanley: The business before us this afternoon is as follows: minutes, accounts, financial statements, correspondence, work programme and any other business. First, the minutes of the meeting of 30 June have been circulated to members. Do members wish to raise any matters in regard to the minutes? No. Are the minutes agreed? Agreed. As usual, the minutes will be published on the committee's web...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (7 Jul 2022)

Brian Stanley: Is it agreed to note the listing of financial statements? Agreed. As usual, the accounts and related statements will be published as part of our minutes. We will move on to correspondence. As previously agreed, items that are not flagged for discussion at this meeting will continue to be dealt with in accordance with the proposed actions that have been circulated and decisions taken by...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (7 Jul 2022)

Brian Stanley: We have sought quarterly updates from the Department. It is aware of the matter. With regard to sanctions, the second part of the letter mentions that for the non-achievement of network builds and associated milestones within the time limit determined in the contract the delay payment arising can only be calculated once the respective milestone is complete. It states that in the event of...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (7 Jul 2022)

Brian Stanley: The original target for premises to be passed by the end of January this year was 115,000. Then the revised plan was 60,000. These are premises to be passed and not connected. The number being connected is far smaller. Something that concerns me is that when the legislation was going through the House, I raised this issue and so did a number of other people with the then Minister, Deputy...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (7 Jul 2022)

Brian Stanley: We will request clarification on whether any penalty has been imposed to date. No. 1330 B is from Mr. Hugh Creegan, deputy chief executive officer of the National Transport Authority, NTA. It is dated 28 June. It provides information requested by the committee on the draft greater Dublin transport strategy for 2022 to 2042. The correspondence states that following the Minister's...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (7 Jul 2022)

Brian Stanley: Does the Deputy has proposal on what we should do on this?

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (7 Jul 2022)

Brian Stanley: We will look for the draft to be provided. If it has been provided to the transport committee we will also look for it to be provided to this committee as part of the consultation.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (7 Jul 2022)

Brian Stanley: Can we not?

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (7 Jul 2022)

Brian Stanley: Is Deputy Catherine Murphy suggesting that we ask them if there are is another opportunity-----

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