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Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform: Select Sub-Committee on Public Expenditure and Reform: Estimates for Public Services 2014
Vote 12 - Superannuation and Retired Allowances (Supplementary)
Vote 17 - Public Appointments Service (Supplementary)
(9 Dec 2014)

Brendan Howlin: Regarding the Deputy's other question, established civil servants, or normal civil servants, are those appointed under the Civil Service Regulation Act. Unestablished civil servants can be appointed to statutory positions and unestablished positions, such as messenger, usher and so on. There is a range of unestablished civil servant positions. If I recall correctly, officials of this House...

Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform: Select Sub-Committee on Public Expenditure and Reform: Estimates for Public Services 2014
Vote 12 - Superannuation and Retired Allowances (Supplementary)
Vote 17 - Public Appointments Service (Supplementary)
(9 Dec 2014)

Brendan Howlin: No, they went by a different title.

Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform: Select Sub-Committee on Public Expenditure and Reform: Estimates for Public Services 2014
Vote 12 - Superannuation and Retired Allowances (Supplementary)
Vote 17 - Public Appointments Service (Supplementary)
(9 Dec 2014)

Brendan Howlin: They were public servants of the State, rather than civil servants.

Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform: Select Sub-Committee on Public Expenditure and Reform: Estimates for Public Services 2014
Vote 12 - Superannuation and Retired Allowances (Supplementary)
Vote 17 - Public Appointments Service (Supplementary)
(9 Dec 2014)

Brendan Howlin: The list might not be exhaustive as there could be grades in the State laboratory and the like of which we are not aware.

Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform: Select Sub-Committee on Public Expenditure and Reform: Estimates for Public Services 2014
Vote 12 - Superannuation and Retired Allowances (Supplementary)
Vote 17 - Public Appointments Service (Supplementary)
(9 Dec 2014)

Brendan Howlin: I did not say that.

Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform: Select Sub-Committee on Public Expenditure and Reform: Estimates for Public Services 2014
Vote 12 - Superannuation and Retired Allowances (Supplementary)
Vote 17 - Public Appointments Service (Supplementary)
(9 Dec 2014)

Brendan Howlin: Balderdash.

Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform: Select Sub-Committee on Public Expenditure and Reform: Estimates for Public Services 2014
Vote 12 - Superannuation and Retired Allowances (Supplementary)
Vote 17 - Public Appointments Service (Supplementary)
(9 Dec 2014)

Brendan Howlin: The Deputy has taken us around the houses on a relatively straightforward issue. The figure in question varies significantly from one year to the next, and average figures are provided in the documentation. The expenditure trend for subhead A4 shows a low of €39 million in 2005 and a high of €140 million in another year. The figure is not the same in any two given years, as...

Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform: Select Sub-Committee on Public Expenditure and Reform: Estimates for Public Services 2014
Vote 12 - Superannuation and Retired Allowances (Supplementary)
Vote 17 - Public Appointments Service (Supplementary)
(9 Dec 2014)

Brendan Howlin: I will do so.

Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform: Select Sub-Committee on Public Expenditure and Reform: Estimates for Public Services 2014
Vote 12 - Superannuation and Retired Allowances (Supplementary)
Vote 17 - Public Appointments Service (Supplementary)
(9 Dec 2014)

Brendan Howlin: Anybody with half a wit would understand that.

Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform: Select Sub-Committee on Public Expenditure and Reform: Estimates for Public Services 2014
Vote 12 - Superannuation and Retired Allowances (Supplementary)
Vote 17 - Public Appointments Service (Supplementary)
(9 Dec 2014)

Brendan Howlin: I did not say today-----

Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform: Select Sub-Committee on Public Expenditure and Reform: Estimates for Public Services 2014
Vote 12 - Superannuation and Retired Allowances (Supplementary)
Vote 17 - Public Appointments Service (Supplementary)
(9 Dec 2014)

Brendan Howlin: Why is the Deputy being contentious on this issue?

Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform: Select Sub-Committee on Public Expenditure and Reform: Estimates for Public Services 2014
Vote 12 - Superannuation and Retired Allowances (Supplementary)
Vote 17 - Public Appointments Service (Supplementary)
(9 Dec 2014)

Brendan Howlin: Absolutely.

Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform: Select Sub-Committee on Public Expenditure and Reform: Estimates for Public Services 2014
Vote 12 - Superannuation and Retired Allowances (Supplementary)
Vote 17 - Public Appointments Service (Supplementary)
(9 Dec 2014)

Brendan Howlin: The bottom line is that the figures refer to the legal entitlement in lump sum payments to all those who retired and were legally entitled to do so during the current year. Unless one has the Oracle of Delphi, one cannot know in advance who will retire or become ill and take early retirement in the course of a year. The mix is different every year. I do not know the reason the Deputy is...

Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform: Select Sub-Committee on Public Expenditure and Reform: Estimates for Public Services 2014
Vote 12 - Superannuation and Retired Allowances (Supplementary)
Vote 17 - Public Appointments Service (Supplementary)
(9 Dec 2014)

Brendan Howlin: The Deputy is trying to make out an average that does not exist.

Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform: Select Sub-Committee on Public Expenditure and Reform: Estimates for Public Services 2014
Vote 12 - Superannuation and Retired Allowances (Supplementary)
Vote 17 - Public Appointments Service (Supplementary)
(9 Dec 2014)

Brendan Howlin: The Deputy could have dropped me a note yesterday.

Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform: Select Sub-Committee on Public Expenditure and Reform: Estimates for Public Services 2014
Vote 12 - Superannuation and Retired Allowances (Supplementary)
Vote 17 - Public Appointments Service (Supplementary)
(9 Dec 2014)

Brendan Howlin: I have answered the Deputy's question. I will circulate the information he requests to every member of the select sub-committee.

Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform: Select Sub-Committee on Public Expenditure and Reform: Estimates for Public Services 2014
Vote 12 - Superannuation and Retired Allowances (Supplementary)
Vote 17 - Public Appointments Service (Supplementary)
(9 Dec 2014)

Brendan Howlin: We have had discussions in respect of pensions and pension entitlements. The Deputy will be aware that one of my first actions on becoming Minister was to impose a new ceiling on wage levels in the Civil Service and public service generally. For example, we set a new ceiling of €200,000 for the Taoiseach. This figure was further significantly reduced under the Financial Emergency...

Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform: Select Sub-Committee on Public Expenditure and Reform: Estimates for Public Services 2014
Vote 12 - Superannuation and Retired Allowances (Supplementary)
Vote 17 - Public Appointments Service (Supplementary)
(9 Dec 2014)

Brendan Howlin: Is the Deputy talking about the gross figure or the figure from subhead A5 only?

Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform: Select Sub-Committee on Public Expenditure and Reform: Estimates for Public Services 2014
Vote 12 - Superannuation and Retired Allowances (Supplementary)
Vote 17 - Public Appointments Service (Supplementary)
(9 Dec 2014)

Brendan Howlin: Yes.

Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform: Select Sub-Committee on Public Expenditure and Reform: Estimates for Public Services 2014
Vote 12 - Superannuation and Retired Allowances (Supplementary)
Vote 17 - Public Appointments Service (Supplementary)
(9 Dec 2014)

Brendan Howlin: The Deputy mentioned subhead A5.

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