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Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Overview of Operations of the National Lottery: Discussion (7 Mar 2017)

Gerry Horkan: How were those checks done?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Overview of Operations of the National Lottery: Discussion (7 Mar 2017)

Gerry Horkan: So the regulator starts verifying people if and when they win, is that correct?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Overview of Operations of the National Lottery: Discussion (7 Mar 2017)

Gerry Horkan: So of the 2,700 checks that were applied to people who had won, every one of them was compliant, is that correct?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Overview of Operations of the National Lottery: Discussion (7 Mar 2017)

Gerry Horkan: So no single person was non-compliant, except that there was a reference to the person who was abroad.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Overview of Operations of the National Lottery: Discussion (7 Mar 2017)

Gerry Horkan: There were 2,700 checks in relation to age.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Overview of Operations of the National Lottery: Discussion (7 Mar 2017)

Gerry Horkan: Presumably the 2,700 checks were not just dealing with age, but were also dealing with other criteria.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Overview of Operations of the National Lottery: Discussion (7 Mar 2017)

Gerry Horkan: How many of the 2,700 checks that have been done in relation to people winning have provided a result that meant they were giving false data to start with?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Overview of Operations of the National Lottery: Discussion (7 Mar 2017)

Gerry Horkan: Okay but is it in the region of 5%, 10%, 20% or 50%?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Overview of Operations of the National Lottery: Discussion (7 Mar 2017)

Gerry Horkan: Okay. Is it fair to say that if the prizes are a set percentage, or a minimum percentage that they cannot fall below, and the good causes are a minimum percentage of what is left, the only way the operator can make more money is by increasing the volume?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Overview of Operations of the National Lottery: Discussion (7 Mar 2017)

Gerry Horkan: Other than, perhaps, operational efficiencies in what they are doing.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Overview of Operations of the National Lottery: Discussion (7 Mar 2017)

Gerry Horkan: To pay back the big up-front fee.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Overview of Operations of the National Lottery: Discussion (7 Mar 2017)

Gerry Horkan: Sorry?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Overview of Operations of the National Lottery: Discussion (7 Mar 2017)

Gerry Horkan: So the more money the operator makes, the more money the good causes make. Is that the point Mr. Sloyan is trying to make?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Overview of Operations of the National Lottery: Discussion (7 Mar 2017)

Gerry Horkan: I know it is correct, but is that the point Mr. Sloyan is trying to make?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Overview of Operations of the National Lottery: Discussion (7 Mar 2017)

Gerry Horkan: I am suggesting that the only way the operator can make more money - and, ideally, for his purposes or their purposes, recover their costs more quickly or generate a better return for themselves in terms of the significant upfront fee that was paid - is to increase volume. They cannot really do it any other way.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Overview of Operations of the National Lottery: Discussion (7 Mar 2017)

Gerry Horkan: Okay. They have no scope in the margin because, as we heard from RGDATA, that 6% margin would apply to all other new agents, such as post offices, barbers, bookshops and cafés. I will not say café-bars because lottery tickets cannot be sold on licensed premises. However, that does not stop people sitting in a pub from buying online and potentially losing €75 a day if they...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Overview of Operations of the National Lottery: Discussion (7 Mar 2017)

Gerry Horkan: Those limits of €75, €300 and €900 were in the Act.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Overview of Operations of the National Lottery: Discussion (7 Mar 2017)

Gerry Horkan: They are in the licence?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Overview of Operations of the National Lottery: Discussion (7 Mar 2017)

Gerry Horkan: So Mr. Sloyan cannot recommend to us - I am not saying he would - that those figures are excessive. The sum of €300 a week would be significantly larger than a lot of weekly social welfare payments.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Overview of Operations of the National Lottery: Discussion (7 Mar 2017)

Gerry Horkan: And Mr. Sloyan does not have any discretion over them?

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