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Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Overview of Operations of the National Lottery: Discussion (7 Mar 2017)

Gerry Horkan: We had 19 and 21 referred to in the earlier presentation and now it is somewhere in between at 20.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Overview of Operations of the National Lottery: Discussion (7 Mar 2017)

Gerry Horkan: How would the lottery prove that? If a person is playing on a phone on a beach in Spain, wins and then returns home, how does he or she claim a prize?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Overview of Operations of the National Lottery: Discussion (7 Mar 2017)

Gerry Horkan: There are no blocks similar to those that mean one cannot watch certain television channels in certain countries. If one wants to use the national lottery app in a foreign jurisdiction, is that possible or is it blocked?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Overview of Operations of the National Lottery: Discussion (7 Mar 2017)

Gerry Horkan: If a person wanted to lose money outside of the State, was that okay? If a person kept losing money outside of the State we would not know about that

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Overview of Operations of the National Lottery: Discussion (7 Mar 2017)

Gerry Horkan: People use addresses inside the State.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Overview of Operations of the National Lottery: Discussion (7 Mar 2017)

Gerry Horkan: The website allows people to put in a foreign address and register.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Overview of Operations of the National Lottery: Discussion (7 Mar 2017)

Gerry Horkan: How does a person do that? I understood the person to whom the witnesses referred gave a foreign address which was accepted.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Overview of Operations of the National Lottery: Discussion (7 Mar 2017)

Gerry Horkan: The person gave a false address.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Overview of Operations of the National Lottery: Discussion (7 Mar 2017)

Gerry Horkan: What is the percentage?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Overview of Operations of the National Lottery: Discussion (7 Mar 2017)

Gerry Horkan: Of what remains after the prizes are paid.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Overview of Operations of the National Lottery: Discussion (7 Mar 2017)

Gerry Horkan: I remind the Deputy about the rules on naming people. He might refer to what is happening-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Overview of Operations of the National Lottery: Discussion (7 Mar 2017)

Gerry Horkan: I thank the Deputy. We will be coming back to this topic. Everyone who has spoken so far - I have a number of points still to make - has concerns. Does Senator Paddy Burke wish to come back in?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Overview of Operations of the National Lottery: Discussion (7 Mar 2017)

Gerry Horkan: I am being reminded that this is an allegation against somebody or an entity that is not represented here.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Overview of Operations of the National Lottery: Discussion (7 Mar 2017)

Gerry Horkan: I might ask a few questions with the permission of members. I was not expecting to be in the Chair for the entire session. Many of the points I wanted to make have been covered by Deputies David Cullinane and Michael McGrath and Senator Paddy Burke. I am an accountant and notice that there is a great deal of financial expertise within the regulator's organisation. However, based on...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Overview of Operations of the National Lottery: Discussion (7 Mar 2017)

Gerry Horkan: I saw that he was a psychologist. Again, we will not name people who are not here. My point is that no one seems to have a background in lotteries or to come from another organisation. We have had a lottery in the country for approximately 30 years, but it seems that everyone on the team is new to the sector. Is that a fair comment?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Overview of Operations of the National Lottery: Discussion (7 Mar 2017)

Gerry Horkan: In terms of online selling, one can play online on an ordinary laptop, as well as on an app. Is Mr. Sloyan saying that app and other online sales account for only approximately 5% of total sales?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Overview of Operations of the National Lottery: Discussion (7 Mar 2017)

Gerry Horkan: Is that up from a figure of 0% a year ago, or has it been at 5% for three or four years? One imagines that it will evolve over time and be much more prevalent.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Overview of Operations of the National Lottery: Discussion (7 Mar 2017)

Gerry Horkan: While it might mathematically be a 25% increase, it is from a low base.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Overview of Operations of the National Lottery: Discussion (7 Mar 2017)

Gerry Horkan: Fair enough. I accept that online sales are a small part of it, but one looks at Ryanair which went from booking centres to call centres to online booking. It seems to be the way of the world that most people will move online with most things once they discover them. One can go online and register. To do so, one needs to be 18 years of age, but is there any way of detecting if a person...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Overview of Operations of the National Lottery: Discussion (7 Mar 2017)

Gerry Horkan: Is that possible now?