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Public Accounts Committee: Implications of CervicalCheck Revelations (Resumed)
2016 Financial Statements of the State Claims Agency (Resumed)
2016 Financial Statements of the HSE (Resumed)
(17 May 2018)

Alan Kelly: -----if one breaks it all down.

Public Accounts Committee: Implications of CervicalCheck Revelations (Resumed)
2016 Financial Statements of the State Claims Agency (Resumed)
2016 Financial Statements of the HSE (Resumed)
(17 May 2018)

Alan Kelly: Is that not frightening?

Public Accounts Committee: Implications of CervicalCheck Revelations (Resumed)
2016 Financial Statements of the State Claims Agency (Resumed)
2016 Financial Statements of the HSE (Resumed)
(17 May 2018)

Alan Kelly: When the programme told Dr. McKenna that there would be a meeting to sort it out, he believed it would be. Since he thought it had been sorted, he did not feel that there was a need to follow it up.

Public Accounts Committee: Implications of CervicalCheck Revelations (Resumed)
2016 Financial Statements of the State Claims Agency (Resumed)
2016 Financial Statements of the HSE (Resumed)
(17 May 2018)

Alan Kelly: What date?

Public Accounts Committee: Implications of CervicalCheck Revelations (Resumed)
2016 Financial Statements of the State Claims Agency (Resumed)
2016 Financial Statements of the HSE (Resumed)
(17 May 2018)

Alan Kelly: I will not stick Dr. McKenna to a date, but how far was it past this meeting?

Public Accounts Committee: Implications of CervicalCheck Revelations (Resumed)
2016 Financial Statements of the State Claims Agency (Resumed)
2016 Financial Statements of the HSE (Resumed)
(17 May 2018)

Alan Kelly: The October meeting.

Public Accounts Committee: Implications of CervicalCheck Revelations (Resumed)
2016 Financial Statements of the State Claims Agency (Resumed)
2016 Financial Statements of the HSE (Resumed)
(17 May 2018)

Alan Kelly: I find it bizarre. The minutes of this meeting are important, yet so many people did not even bother to partake that there were no minutes of the next meeting. The first meeting called was the September meeting. People came together because of this issue - let us call a spade a spade - but there are still no minutes of the follow-up meeting because it is obviously such a damning issue. I...

Public Accounts Committee: Implications of CervicalCheck Revelations (Resumed)
2016 Financial Statements of the State Claims Agency (Resumed)
2016 Financial Statements of the HSE (Resumed)
(17 May 2018)

Alan Kelly: Agreed. I second that.

Public Accounts Committee: Implications of CervicalCheck Revelations (Resumed)
2016 Financial Statements of the State Claims Agency (Resumed)
2016 Financial Statements of the HSE (Resumed)
(17 May 2018)

Alan Kelly: It is a good suggestion. I could suggest many more people.

Public Accounts Committee: Implications of CervicalCheck Revelations (Resumed)
2016 Financial Statements of the State Claims Agency (Resumed)
2016 Financial Statements of the HSE (Resumed)
(17 May 2018)

Alan Kelly: I would say that everyone else would be fine with her speaking now.

Public Accounts Committee: Implications of CervicalCheck Revelations (Resumed)
2016 Financial Statements of the State Claims Agency (Resumed)
2016 Financial Statements of the HSE (Resumed)
(17 May 2018)

Alan Kelly: I hope Mr. Connaghan has taken away a lot more than what he just said. I would be absolutely devastated for the people I represent, for Vicky Phelan and Stephen Teap, if Mr. Connaghan only took away from this meeting what he just said.

Public Accounts Committee: Implications of CervicalCheck Revelations (Resumed)
2016 Financial Statements of the State Claims Agency (Resumed)
2016 Financial Statements of the HSE (Resumed)
(17 May 2018)

Alan Kelly: What about accountability?

Public Accounts Committee: Implications of CervicalCheck Revelations (Resumed)
2016 Financial Statements of the State Claims Agency (Resumed)
2016 Financial Statements of the HSE (Resumed)
(17 May 2018)

Alan Kelly: Obviously, we will have to have other witnesses in as well.

Public Accounts Committee: Management of Legal Costs and Policy on Open Disclosure (Resumed)
Implications of CervicalCheck Revelations (Resumed)
2016 Financial Statements of the State Claims Agency (Resumed)
2016 Financial Statements of the HSE (Resumed)
(16 May 2018)

Alan Kelly: I am lost for words to be honest. The strength that both of the witnesses have shown is frankly incredible. Vicky does not live that far away from me even though we live in different counties. We will be shouting against one another on Sunday when Limerick plays Tipperary. With regard to the way in which Stephen has told his story in such a short space of time, because he has not known...

Public Accounts Committee: Management of Legal Costs and Policy on Open Disclosure (Resumed)
Implications of CervicalCheck Revelations (Resumed)
2016 Financial Statements of the State Claims Agency (Resumed)
2016 Financial Statements of the HSE (Resumed)
(16 May 2018)

Alan Kelly: Open disclosure? Come on, open disclosure is a joke. I look at the letters that were drafted. Cian made reference to them earlier. There was that awful commentary to the effect that in cases where the woman died, the result should simply be recorded. I think of Irene and what was going on until Vicky blew the lid off it and then she was communicated with. Then they had to tell her....

Public Accounts Committee: Management of Legal Costs and Policy on Open Disclosure (Resumed)
Implications of CervicalCheck Revelations (Resumed)
2016 Financial Statements of the State Claims Agency (Resumed)
2016 Financial Statements of the HSE (Resumed)
(16 May 2018)

Alan Kelly: So people who are involved in decision-making in CervicalCheck, the HSE and possibly the Department of Health-----

Public Accounts Committee: Management of Legal Costs and Policy on Open Disclosure (Resumed)
Implications of CervicalCheck Revelations (Resumed)
2016 Financial Statements of the State Claims Agency (Resumed)
2016 Financial Statements of the HSE (Resumed)
(16 May 2018)

Alan Kelly: I used the phrase "upwards and downwards accountability".

Public Accounts Committee: Management of Legal Costs and Policy on Open Disclosure (Resumed)
Implications of CervicalCheck Revelations (Resumed)
2016 Financial Statements of the State Claims Agency (Resumed)
2016 Financial Statements of the HSE (Resumed)
(16 May 2018)

Alan Kelly: Do people in those positions need to vacate them while this is going on because they are dealing with live situations?

Public Accounts Committee: Management of Legal Costs and Policy on Open Disclosure (Resumed)
Implications of CervicalCheck Revelations (Resumed)
2016 Financial Statements of the State Claims Agency (Resumed)
2016 Financial Statements of the HSE (Resumed)
(16 May 2018)

Alan Kelly: I note, for example, that Vicky and Stephen have not been communicated with.

Public Accounts Committee: Management of Legal Costs and Policy on Open Disclosure (Resumed)
Implications of CervicalCheck Revelations (Resumed)
2016 Financial Statements of the State Claims Agency (Resumed)
2016 Financial Statements of the HSE (Resumed)
(16 May 2018)

Alan Kelly: That is just-----

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