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Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
An Bord Pleanála - Financial Statements 2020
Vote 34 - Housing, Local Government and Heritage
(14 Jul 2022)

Brian Stanley: We still find situations in which the same two people are dealing with a row of cases on the same issue. How can that be?

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
An Bord Pleanála - Financial Statements 2020
Vote 34 - Housing, Local Government and Heritage
(14 Jul 2022)

Brian Stanley: Mr. Walsh said that roughly 10% of the inspectors' reports are overturned.

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
An Bord Pleanála - Financial Statements 2020
Vote 34 - Housing, Local Government and Heritage
(14 Jul 2022)

Brian Stanley: That seems quite normal. The board would have to consider the inspector's report and everything else. Does Mr. Walsh find it odd, when it reaches a far higher figure than that, a figure of 90%?

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
An Bord Pleanála - Financial Statements 2020
Vote 34 - Housing, Local Government and Heritage
(14 Jul 2022)

Brian Stanley: Forget about that.

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
An Bord Pleanála - Financial Statements 2020
Vote 34 - Housing, Local Government and Heritage
(14 Jul 2022)

Brian Stanley: The percentage of reports overturned goes from 10% to 90%.

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
An Bord Pleanála - Financial Statements 2020
Vote 34 - Housing, Local Government and Heritage
(14 Jul 2022)

Brian Stanley: It could be strategic infrastructure such as masts or motorways.

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
An Bord Pleanála - Financial Statements 2020
Vote 34 - Housing, Local Government and Heritage
(14 Jul 2022)

Brian Stanley: However, 90% is exceptional to me. That would raise a red flag.

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
An Bord Pleanála - Financial Statements 2020
Vote 34 - Housing, Local Government and Heritage
(14 Jul 2022)

Brian Stanley: I am not a planning expert, but that would raise a red flag for me.

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
An Bord Pleanála - Financial Statements 2020
Vote 34 - Housing, Local Government and Heritage
(14 Jul 2022)

Brian Stanley: We had to wait for a review and for others to bring it to the attention of An Bord Pleanála.

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
An Bord Pleanála - Financial Statements 2020
Vote 34 - Housing, Local Government and Heritage
(14 Jul 2022)

Brian Stanley: Mr. Walsh is saying he did not cop this. It did not raise a red flag. I asked Mr. Walsh how an Bord Pleanála had got itself into this situation. The average is 10% of the inspectors' cases being overruled or changed by the board. That is fine. Up to 20% would seem grand, but this is 90%. There is an average of 10% and, in certain cases dealing with a certain type of infrastructure...

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
An Bord Pleanála - Financial Statements 2020
Vote 34 - Housing, Local Government and Heritage
(14 Jul 2022)

Brian Stanley: If, hypothetically, this happened, would Mr. Walsh accept it was a failure on the board's part that such a situation was not seen?

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
An Bord Pleanála - Financial Statements 2020
Vote 34 - Housing, Local Government and Heritage
(14 Jul 2022)

Brian Stanley: On the number of board members, I asked Mr. Walsh about the allocation. There are hundreds of different configurations can be got with the nine mathematically, if one revolves them round.

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
An Bord Pleanála - Financial Statements 2020
Vote 34 - Housing, Local Government and Heritage
(14 Jul 2022)

Brian Stanley: Okay, but there are still many different configurations.

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
An Bord Pleanála - Financial Statements 2020
Vote 34 - Housing, Local Government and Heritage
(14 Jul 2022)

Brian Stanley: That would happen. It would be quite normal in an organisation, such as a sporting organisation perhaps doing inquiries, a political organisation, a company or whatever that one would flip them around. On the number of people who are handed files and the number of people dealing with them, three seems normal. Mr. Walsh outlined that. Mr. Walsh said that in certain cases it can be less...

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
An Bord Pleanála - Financial Statements 2020
Vote 34 - Housing, Local Government and Heritage
(14 Jul 2022)

Brian Stanley: Does Mr. Walsh find it odd that there is a large number of infrastructure cases where there were two?

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
An Bord Pleanála - Financial Statements 2020
Vote 34 - Housing, Local Government and Heritage
(14 Jul 2022)

Brian Stanley: Strategic infrastructure.

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
An Bord Pleanála - Financial Statements 2020
Vote 34 - Housing, Local Government and Heritage
(14 Jul 2022)

Brian Stanley: What I am asking Mr. Walsh is, if there was strategic infrastructure-----

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
An Bord Pleanála - Financial Statements 2020
Vote 34 - Housing, Local Government and Heritage
(14 Jul 2022)

Brian Stanley: Mr. Walsh clarified earlier on and if there were two people deciding on several dozen of those, would he find that odd? Why would that happen? Why has Mr. Walsh allowed that to happen? Can he confirm it happened?

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
An Bord Pleanála - Financial Statements 2020
Vote 34 - Housing, Local Government and Heritage
(14 Jul 2022)

Brian Stanley: What if I told Mr. Walsh that it happened?

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
An Bord Pleanála - Financial Statements 2020
Vote 34 - Housing, Local Government and Heritage
(14 Jul 2022)

Brian Stanley: In relation to strategic infrastructure, would the same two people alone making several dozen decisions be odd?

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