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Public Accounts Committee: Implications of CervicalCheck Revelations (Resumed)
2016 Financial Statements of the State Claims Agency (Resumed)
2016 Financial Statements of the HSE (Resumed)
(17 May 2018)

Alan Kelly: Why not?

Public Accounts Committee: Implications of CervicalCheck Revelations (Resumed)
2016 Financial Statements of the State Claims Agency (Resumed)
2016 Financial Statements of the HSE (Resumed)
(17 May 2018)

Alan Kelly: For me, that is dysfunctional. I asked if the HSE directorate was made aware of these matters. The response I got was that it was not the purpose of the director to manage operational issues. In the context, it would not have expected to have been made aware of the issues regarding the CervicalCheck audit. We know that many members of the directorate were aware of it but it was not...

Public Accounts Committee: Implications of CervicalCheck Revelations (Resumed)
2016 Financial Statements of the State Claims Agency (Resumed)
2016 Financial Statements of the HSE (Resumed)
(17 May 2018)

Alan Kelly: It was not discussed. Is that right?

Public Accounts Committee: Implications of CervicalCheck Revelations (Resumed)
2016 Financial Statements of the State Claims Agency (Resumed)
2016 Financial Statements of the HSE (Resumed)
(17 May 2018)

Alan Kelly: That is unbelievable. I also find it incredible that the minutes of the national planning oversight group, NPOG, meetings make no reference to it. When it comes to the packages that are being made available to the 209 women, the HSE is not ready. I say this because its own people have told me so. I ask the witnesses to take that on board. Across the board, the HSE is not ready for...

Public Accounts Committee: Implications of CervicalCheck Revelations (Resumed)
2016 Financial Statements of the State Claims Agency (Resumed)
2016 Financial Statements of the HSE (Resumed)
(17 May 2018)

Alan Kelly: Maybe Mr. Connaghan should go down the line.

Public Accounts Committee: Implications of CervicalCheck Revelations (Resumed)
2016 Financial Statements of the State Claims Agency (Resumed)
2016 Financial Statements of the HSE (Resumed)
(17 May 2018)

Alan Kelly: Senator Keith Swanick made a very good point earlier. Is it the case that minutes of HSE directorate meetings are always prepared?

Public Accounts Committee: Implications of CervicalCheck Revelations (Resumed)
2016 Financial Statements of the State Claims Agency (Resumed)
2016 Financial Statements of the HSE (Resumed)
(17 May 2018)

Alan Kelly: On one occasion when the now Taoiseach, then Minister for Health, sat in on a meeting, there were no minutes.

Public Accounts Committee: Implications of CervicalCheck Revelations (Resumed)
2016 Financial Statements of the State Claims Agency (Resumed)
2016 Financial Statements of the HSE (Resumed)
(17 May 2018)

Alan Kelly: It was 26 November.

Public Accounts Committee: Implications of CervicalCheck Revelations (Resumed)
2016 Financial Statements of the State Claims Agency (Resumed)
2016 Financial Statements of the HSE (Resumed)
(17 May 2018)

Alan Kelly: Yes.

Public Accounts Committee: Implications of CervicalCheck Revelations (Resumed)
2016 Financial Statements of the State Claims Agency (Resumed)
2016 Financial Statements of the HSE (Resumed)
(17 May 2018)

Alan Kelly: If it was informal, it was a long informal meeting. His next diary appointment was over three hours later. Will the delegates go back, once and for all, so we can cut out all this rubbish and find out whether there are minutes, notes or anything else to do with that meeting? Could they also confirm the position in writing? In fairness to Senator Swanick, he determined it was the only...

Public Accounts Committee: Implications of CervicalCheck Revelations (Resumed)
2016 Financial Statements of the State Claims Agency (Resumed)
2016 Financial Statements of the HSE (Resumed)
(17 May 2018)

Alan Kelly: It can come back but my point is that it is still a fact that this is the only meeting that was not minuted. With regard to a final run-around, I still do not understand why Dr. Holohan did not tell the Minister, Deputy Harris, about the audit documents and why he did not know about them before they were pulled out here last Thursday. The explanation for that has not been forthcoming.

Public Accounts Committee: Implications of CervicalCheck Revelations (Resumed)
2016 Financial Statements of the State Claims Agency (Resumed)
2016 Financial Statements of the HSE (Resumed)
(17 May 2018)

Alan Kelly: Does Dr. Holohan believe he should have told him about them? From conversation, I believe he thinks Dr. Holohan should have.

Public Accounts Committee: Implications of CervicalCheck Revelations (Resumed)
2016 Financial Statements of the State Claims Agency (Resumed)
2016 Financial Statements of the HSE (Resumed)
(17 May 2018)

Alan Kelly: I understand that. The response is a "Yes" or "No". Dr. Holohan can say "No". Does he believe he should have given him the documents?

Public Accounts Committee: Implications of CervicalCheck Revelations (Resumed)
2016 Financial Statements of the State Claims Agency (Resumed)
2016 Financial Statements of the HSE (Resumed)
(17 May 2018)

Alan Kelly: They are the most revealing documents-----

Public Accounts Committee: Implications of CervicalCheck Revelations (Resumed)
2016 Financial Statements of the State Claims Agency (Resumed)
2016 Financial Statements of the HSE (Resumed)
(17 May 2018)

Alan Kelly: I disagree.

Public Accounts Committee: Implications of CervicalCheck Revelations (Resumed)
2016 Financial Statements of the State Claims Agency (Resumed)
2016 Financial Statements of the HSE (Resumed)
(17 May 2018)

Alan Kelly: I disagree with him in a reasonable way because what they did was open avenues for us to consider regarding how the HSE handled the matter, how it was being communicated, and legal issues. A range of different things were brought out and evolved because of that.

Public Accounts Committee: Implications of CervicalCheck Revelations (Resumed)
2016 Financial Statements of the State Claims Agency (Resumed)
2016 Financial Statements of the HSE (Resumed)
(17 May 2018)

Alan Kelly: I am sure Minister Harris is watching this.

Public Accounts Committee: Implications of CervicalCheck Revelations (Resumed)
2016 Financial Statements of the State Claims Agency (Resumed)
2016 Financial Statements of the HSE (Resumed)
(17 May 2018)

Alan Kelly: Sorry to be rude but I have to-----

Public Accounts Committee: Implications of CervicalCheck Revelations (Resumed)
2016 Financial Statements of the State Claims Agency (Resumed)
2016 Financial Statements of the HSE (Resumed)
(17 May 2018)

Alan Kelly: Regarding the documents or memos that Mr. Gleeson drafted and that were signed by Dr. O'Keeffe, did he give them to Dr. O'Keeffe for observation? Did she change them in any way? Did she make any alterations to any of his documents?

Public Accounts Committee: Implications of CervicalCheck Revelations (Resumed)
2016 Financial Statements of the State Claims Agency (Resumed)
2016 Financial Statements of the HSE (Resumed)
(17 May 2018)

Alan Kelly: Yes. Did Dr. O'Keeffe make any changes to them?

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