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Joint Oireachtas Committee on Education and Skills: General Scheme of the Education (Supports for Survivors of Residential Institutional Abuse) Bill 2023: Discussion (17 Oct 2023)

Paul Kehoe: We will now meet relevant stakeholders for our pre-legislative scrutiny of the education (supports for survivors of residential institutional abuse) Bill. On behalf of the committee, I welcome Mr. Patrick Rodgers, regional manager at Fréa in the north of England, who has come from the UK to join us today; Ms Maeve Lewis, CEO of One in Four; Ms Siobhán Byrne, regional outreach...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Education and Skills: General Scheme of the Education (Supports for Survivors of Residential Institutional Abuse) Bill 2023: Discussion (17 Oct 2023)

Paul Kehoe: I thank all of the witnesses for their opening statements and for keeping within the time limits. It is much appreciated. I have some housekeeping matters. Apologies have been received from Senators Pauline O'Reilly and Eileen Flynn and Deputies Cathal Crowe, Carol Nolan and Marc Ó Cathasaigh. I welcome Joan Burton who is in the Gallery. She is a former Tánaiste, Minister and...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Education and Skills: General Scheme of the Education (Supports for Survivors of Residential Institutional Abuse) Bill 2023: Discussion (17 Oct 2023)

Paul Kehoe: I call Deputy Ó Ríordáin now, please.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Education and Skills: General Scheme of the Education (Supports for Survivors of Residential Institutional Abuse) Bill 2023: Discussion (17 Oct 2023)

Paul Kehoe: I might pick up on a point Ms McDonnell Byrne made about people who did not apply for redress. How many people does that apply to?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Education and Skills: General Scheme of the Education (Supports for Survivors of Residential Institutional Abuse) Bill 2023: Discussion (17 Oct 2023)

Paul Kehoe: Are there many?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Education and Skills: General Scheme of the Education (Supports for Survivors of Residential Institutional Abuse) Bill 2023: Discussion (17 Oct 2023)

Paul Kehoe: Absolutely. I can understand why some people, for many different reasons, do not want to revisit the past.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Education and Skills: General Scheme of the Education (Supports for Survivors of Residential Institutional Abuse) Bill 2023: Discussion (17 Oct 2023)

Paul Kehoe: I have just a couple of questions. We will have the Department officials before us tomorrow evening. Are there any specific or pertinent questions the witnesses would like us to put to the Department? If they had Department officials in front of them now, what are the big questions they would like answered?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Education and Skills: General Scheme of the Education (Supports for Survivors of Residential Institutional Abuse) Bill 2023: Discussion (17 Oct 2023)

Paul Kehoe: Are the three witnesses on the same page or is there any-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Education and Skills: General Scheme of the Education (Supports for Survivors of Residential Institutional Abuse) Bill 2023: Discussion (17 Oct 2023)

Paul Kehoe: Ms McDonnell Byrne mentioned the people who did not apply for redress. How can they be reached out to? Did she say she has 27 years' experience? That is a career. Fair play to her. How can the Department reach out, or how can the organisations reach out now, to the people who did not apply to make them aware as to what is available to them now?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Education and Skills: General Scheme of the Education (Supports for Survivors of Residential Institutional Abuse) Bill 2023: Discussion (17 Oct 2023)

Paul Kehoe: Senator O'Loughlin raised the issue of people living abroad and survivors living in Australia, Canada and other countries. Have the embassies or the Department of Foreign Affairs been of assistance, or can they be of assistance, to the witnesses' organisations to spread the net a little wider, such as in advertising in Irish newspapers in the likes of Australia and Canada? I am not saying...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Education and Skills: General Scheme of the Education (Supports for Survivors of Residential Institutional Abuse) Bill 2023: Discussion (17 Oct 2023)

Paul Kehoe: -----or can she see, once this legislation is passed, that people will be able to play a key role in assisting her in reaching out to survivors?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Education and Skills: General Scheme of the Education (Supports for Survivors of Residential Institutional Abuse) Bill 2023: Discussion (17 Oct 2023)

Paul Kehoe: And that everybody is recognised.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Education and Skills: General Scheme of the Education (Supports for Survivors of Residential Institutional Abuse) Bill 2023: Discussion (17 Oct 2023)

Paul Kehoe: Yes.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Education and Skills: General Scheme of the Education (Supports for Survivors of Residential Institutional Abuse) Bill 2023: Discussion (17 Oct 2023)

Paul Kehoe: That was the next question I was going to ask Mr. Rodgers. Just before he answers that, I will add a question to it. There are many people in Birmingham, London and other cities in the UK and there are many Irish centres in the UK. Does he believe there are many survivors living in the UK who have spent their lives there just to get away from the experience they had on the island of...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Education and Skills: General Scheme of the Education (Supports for Survivors of Residential Institutional Abuse) Bill 2023: Discussion (17 Oct 2023)

Paul Kehoe: They might not even want to go near an Irish centre.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Education and Skills: General Scheme of the Education (Supports for Survivors of Residential Institutional Abuse) Bill 2023: Discussion (17 Oct 2023)

Paul Kehoe: Joan Burton is not here but I recall I was Government Whip when Enda Kenny apologised to those in the Magdalen laundries and I saw what that apology meant to a huge number of survivors. I and everybody in the Chamber was very moved by the survivors and their families. Only in the years prior to the apology had survivors opened up to their own families. There is a huge pride among many who...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Education and Skills: General Scheme of the Education (Supports for Survivors of Residential Institutional Abuse) Bill 2023: Discussion (17 Oct 2023)

Paul Kehoe: I do not want to sound patronising, but what level of funding is the centre getting? Is Ms McDonnell Byrne talking about thousands? I am interested to know. We have departmental officials in front of us tomorrow evening, and these are the questions that we would like to have answered. I know that there are different Departments and that it is across sections of Departments. If the...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Education and Skills: General Scheme of the Education (Supports for Survivors of Residential Institutional Abuse) Bill 2023: Discussion (17 Oct 2023)

Paul Kehoe: Are the organisations getting funding for their rent from the Department of Health?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Education and Skills: General Scheme of the Education (Supports for Survivors of Residential Institutional Abuse) Bill 2023: Discussion (17 Oct 2023)

Paul Kehoe: It is the Department of Education that we have before us tomorrow evening. On foot of the witnesses’ appearance here, I believe they should write to the Joint Committee on Health in respect of those specific issues. I am not trying to pass the buck. We will write to the health committee as well, if that is agreed by the members, to say that this issue was raised at the committee....

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