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Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health
Health Service Executive - Financial Statements 2021 (Resumed)
(6 Oct 2022)

Brian Stanley: My one is out of date but I am still using it.

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health
Health Service Executive - Financial Statements 2021 (Resumed)
(6 Oct 2022)

Brian Stanley: Mine says 7 April and there is still a strong smell of alcohol from it.

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health
Health Service Executive - Financial Statements 2021 (Resumed)
(6 Oct 2022)

Brian Stanley: Nor am I. I am a very moderate drinker, I can assure Mr. Mulvany. I call Deputy Catherine Murphy.

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health
Health Service Executive - Financial Statements 2021 (Resumed)
(6 Oct 2022)

Brian Stanley: Deputy Hourigan is next.

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health
Health Service Executive - Financial Statements 2021 (Resumed)
(6 Oct 2022)

Brian Stanley: I thank Deputy Catherine Murphy.

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health
Health Service Executive - Financial Statements 2021 (Resumed)
(6 Oct 2022)

Brian Stanley: Okay, on the cyber-----

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health
Health Service Executive - Financial Statements 2021 (Resumed)
(6 Oct 2022)

Brian Stanley: Deputy Hourigan.

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health
Health Service Executive - Financial Statements 2021 (Resumed)
(6 Oct 2022)

Brian Stanley: I thank the Deputy. Deputy O'Connor has joined us. He has ten minutes.

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health
Health Service Executive - Financial Statements 2021 (Resumed)
(6 Oct 2022)

Brian Stanley: I will revert to the personal protective equipment, PPE, issue, and hand sanitiser in particular and the best by date. Perhaps the HSE will come back to the committee with the definitive position on that. The figure of €25 million worth is a significant sum of money. Surely there is a use for that across the health sector. That needs to be questioned with the manufacturers. With...

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health
Health Service Executive - Financial Statements 2021 (Resumed)
(6 Oct 2022)

Brian Stanley: I understand that but-----

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health
Health Service Executive - Financial Statements 2021 (Resumed)
(6 Oct 2022)

Brian Stanley: Am I correct in saying that some of what was imported was not suitable for use?

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health
Health Service Executive - Financial Statements 2021 (Resumed)
(6 Oct 2022)

Brian Stanley: What Mr. Mulvany is hearing today from the Committee of Public Accounts and what I am saying as its Chairperson is that we understand that and that decisions had to made quickly. We and all of Europe were caught in this situation. We were at the epicentre of the Covid-19 pandemic and we understand that and the work that was done to counter that. What we are saying to the HSE now, however,...

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health
Health Service Executive - Financial Statements 2021 (Resumed)
(6 Oct 2022)

Brian Stanley: I understand that. One of the reasons for this was that it was a sellers’ market at that point in the spring of 2020. One of the reasons, in turn, was that it turned out that we did not have any indigenous sources. Many people have raised with me the question as to how we arrived at a situation, not just in Ireland, but in Europe, and in particular western Europe, where we do not...

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health
Health Service Executive - Financial Statements 2021 (Resumed)
(6 Oct 2022)

Brian Stanley: Have we a greater capacity now than we had before?

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health
Health Service Executive - Financial Statements 2021 (Resumed)
(6 Oct 2022)

Brian Stanley: We could have another pandemic like this. Would Mr. O’Grady like to comment further on this?

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health
Health Service Executive - Financial Statements 2021 (Resumed)
(6 Oct 2022)

Brian Stanley: Has work been done, for example, with some of the bodies like Enterprise Ireland and has that agency been spoken to about this?

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health
Health Service Executive - Financial Statements 2021 (Resumed)
(6 Oct 2022)

Brian Stanley: That would be to reassure people because Aer Lingus and some airline companies did some good work on putting on special flights to China and so forth at the time. It is hard to prepare for every emergency but if one thing emerged from that pandemic, it showed that western Europe was caught out and we need to be more prepared in future. I have a couple of final questions. On home care,...

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health
Health Service Executive - Financial Statements 2021 (Resumed)
(6 Oct 2022)

Brian Stanley: Mr. Mulvany mentioned a policy position. Can he clarify that for me, please?

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health
Health Service Executive - Financial Statements 2021 (Resumed)
(6 Oct 2022)

Brian Stanley: The policy position is to increase that public provision then.

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health
Health Service Executive - Financial Statements 2021 (Resumed)
(6 Oct 2022)

Brian Stanley: Is the HSE active at the moment? I see letters to people informing them that they been granted home help hours but staff may not be available in some parts of the country. Is the HSE actively recruiting in those areas?

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