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Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (22 Mar 2018)

Alan Kelly: Having looked at similar documentation previously, this is quite detailed but there are nuggets of issues which would raise concern.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (22 Mar 2018)

Alan Kelly: Pull it out.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (22 Mar 2018)

Alan Kelly: I am sure they are aware of it now.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (22 Mar 2018)

Alan Kelly: Here we go again.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (22 Mar 2018)

Alan Kelly: I am not sure. There are a couple of issues here. First, when the people from UCC were in here they had significant legal costs in respect of staffing issues and things like that. Some of it is transpiring into this issue.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (22 Mar 2018)

Alan Kelly: Which is now coming out as part of this. Their liabilities here are a result of the High Court cases and other cases. Second, going back to my favourite phrase which my own alma mater seems to use all the time, costs "will be borne by the university from non-Exchequer funding sources". This is the old chestnut that we have been down the road with a few times before. How can we stand over...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (22 Mar 2018)

Alan Kelly: The bottom line is that I could not stand over this statement. I am not going to accept this. We have been down the road on this a number of times. I raised another issue in respect of the Cork Opera House, which they are now funding under own funded sources or whatever phrase they use. The issue here is that there is an extra pension liability as a result of legal challenges to...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (22 Mar 2018)

Alan Kelly: Galway was number one there. Trust me, I know.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (22 Mar 2018)

Alan Kelly: The same university used the same statement recently in respect of its sponsorship campaign with Cork Opera House.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (22 Mar 2018)

Alan Kelly: When they come looking for looking for taxpayers' money for different issues, they need to look into their own hearts on the non-Exchequer funded schemes-----

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (22 Mar 2018)

Alan Kelly: Their foundations' hearts or whatever, and to say what they are using that money for first.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (22 Mar 2018)

Alan Kelly: I do not want to hold up the meeting but at some point before we go, we are going to talk about the work programme about this. Perhaps as part of that, whenever we have those universities and colleges in, this committee should make some declaration in respect of this issue because it keeps coming up.

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 4 - Overview of Public Private Partnerships
(22 Mar 2018)

Alan Kelly: Two days ago.

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 4 - Overview of Public Private Partnerships
(22 Mar 2018)

Alan Kelly: We should go into private session to discuss this.

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 4 - Overview of Public Private Partnerships
(22 Mar 2018)

Alan Kelly: I know we have had a little tension this morning. I will try to calm things down a bit. It is probably the first time I have attempted to do that at this forum. Transparency is part of the issue with which we are dealing. To be fair to the witnesses, some of the things we are analysing here predate their appointment to their current positions. The economic circumstances in this country...

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 4 - Overview of Public Private Partnerships
(22 Mar 2018)

Alan Kelly: Is that not just insane?

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 4 - Overview of Public Private Partnerships
(22 Mar 2018)

Alan Kelly: Does Mr. Kennedy have a worse word than "insane"?

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 4 - Overview of Public Private Partnerships
(22 Mar 2018)

Alan Kelly: Given that the Dublin Airport Authority is directing 96% of traffic to Dublin, it is crucifying Shannon Airport – I live close to the area – and I cannot understand the projections. To the normal taxpayer, these figures are astronomical.

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 4 - Overview of Public Private Partnerships
(22 Mar 2018)

Alan Kelly: I prefaced my comments by talking about the economic cycle, but I am concerned about the scale. I had not intended to put Mr. Kennedy on the spot. Can Mr. Watt say whether this would have met the requirements of the process by which we assessed PPPs, given the figures we now have? I know that it is comparing apples and oranges, but in general would that be the case? For the taxpayer,...

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 4 - Overview of Public Private Partnerships
(22 Mar 2018)

Alan Kelly: I know, but from the point of view of transparency point, the contract runsl-----

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