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Public Accounts Committee: Garda Internal Audit Report on ICT Directorate Payments Process (31 May 2018)

Alan Kelly: Let us find out. I want to ask a number of other questions. A contract was awarded to a company called Ultan Courtney HR. What was that contract for and was it tendered?

Public Accounts Committee: Garda Internal Audit Report on ICT Directorate Payments Process (31 May 2018)

Alan Kelly: I ask the witness to come back to me with information on that contract. Is Mr. Kelly aware of it?

Public Accounts Committee: Garda Internal Audit Report on ICT Directorate Payments Process (31 May 2018)

Alan Kelly: He might explain it to me.

Public Accounts Committee: Garda Internal Audit Report on ICT Directorate Payments Process (31 May 2018)

Alan Kelly: Around what?

Public Accounts Committee: Garda Internal Audit Report on ICT Directorate Payments Process (31 May 2018)

Alan Kelly: I ask Mr. Kelly to explain further. Was there a procurement process for that contract?

Public Accounts Committee: Garda Internal Audit Report on ICT Directorate Payments Process (31 May 2018)

Alan Kelly: What was the contract for?

Public Accounts Committee: Garda Internal Audit Report on ICT Directorate Payments Process (31 May 2018)

Alan Kelly: In regard to what?

Public Accounts Committee: Garda Internal Audit Report on ICT Directorate Payments Process (31 May 2018)

Alan Kelly: I do not want the details if it is a mediation issue. It is enough to know that it concerned mediation.

Public Accounts Committee: Garda Internal Audit Report on ICT Directorate Payments Process (31 May 2018)

Alan Kelly: Is it not extraordinary that there was no tendering for a contract like that, which was valued at €50,000 as I understand it?

Public Accounts Committee: Garda Internal Audit Report on ICT Directorate Payments Process (31 May 2018)

Alan Kelly: When will Mr. Kelly have the full facts about it so that he can tell the committee?

Public Accounts Committee: Garda Internal Audit Report on ICT Directorate Payments Process (31 May 2018)

Alan Kelly: Is it safe to say that Mr. Kelly is concerned at the fact that this was not tendered in the normal way?

Public Accounts Committee: Garda Internal Audit Report on ICT Directorate Payments Process (31 May 2018)

Alan Kelly: I have been engaging on these issues for some time with the current witnesses and with other witnesses who appeared before this committee at previous meetings. We have heard a lot of detail and a lot of conflicting information on the use of private email accounts across the force. On a number of occasions, I have asked individual witnesses the same question, which was whether they had ever...

Public Accounts Committee: Garda Internal Audit Report on ICT Directorate Payments Process (31 May 2018)

Alan Kelly: -----in the Oireachtas Joint Committee on Justice and Equality five weeks ago. The message states:An Garda Síochána has previously confirmed that, on occasion, members of the organisation have used commercial email systems to send or receive business-related emails. That generally occurred when access to commercial email systems was available from Garda desktops, which is no...

Public Accounts Committee: Garda Internal Audit Report on ICT Directorate Payments Process (31 May 2018)

Alan Kelly: That is standard operating procedure.

Public Accounts Committee: Garda Internal Audit Report on ICT Directorate Payments Process (31 May 2018)

Alan Kelly: There are laws relating to time periods for a year and all this sort of stuff. We will not argue that point. Mr. Nugent said that members of the force and civilian members of the force were using private emails. In fairness, I have to acknowledge that he said that. If somebody used private email and communicated to a colleague using private email, no record is kept of those emails.

Public Accounts Committee: Garda Internal Audit Report on ICT Directorate Payments Process (31 May 2018)

Alan Kelly: How?

Public Accounts Committee: Garda Internal Audit Report on ICT Directorate Payments Process (31 May 2018)

Alan Kelly: Can the Acting Commissioner confirm that all emails relating to Garda business are kept by An Garda Síochána? He should remember that Mr. Nugent, who is sitting beside him, confirmed to me in writing yesterday that all emails sent and received using Garda email are retained and I understand that. He has also confirmed that private email has been used. Can the Acting Commissioner...

Public Accounts Committee: Garda Internal Audit Report on ICT Directorate Payments Process (31 May 2018)

Alan Kelly: Exactly.

Public Accounts Committee: Garda Internal Audit Report on ICT Directorate Payments Process (31 May 2018)

Alan Kelly: I understand that.

Public Accounts Committee: Garda Internal Audit Report on ICT Directorate Payments Process (31 May 2018)

Alan Kelly: Let me join the dots. In fairness to Mr. Nugent, his email to me last night was helpful in this instance. We have an acknowledgement that private email was used by people in the force - civilian and those of rank. We also have confirmation that emails sent and received on the Garda IT system are kept. However, we now have confirmation that in our State that where members use private email...

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