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Seanad: Oireachtas (Ministerial and Parliamentary Offices) (Amendment) Bill 2013: Committee Stage (Resumed) (19 Nov 2013)

David Norris: There is no need to bully.

Seanad: Oireachtas (Ministerial and Parliamentary Offices) (Amendment) Bill 2013: Committee Stage (Resumed) (19 Nov 2013)

David Norris: In a very bullying way.

Seanad: Oireachtas (Ministerial and Parliamentary Offices) (Amendment) Bill 2013: Committee Stage (Resumed) (19 Nov 2013)

David Norris: I value the elite element in this House but I think we should look very carefully before we start these ridiculous measures of flaying ourselves in some kind of politico-religious devotion and think the people would be impressed. They will have a bloody good laugh but they certainly will not be impressed.

Seanad: Oireachtas (Ministerial and Parliamentary Offices) (Amendment) Bill 2013: Committee Stage (Resumed) (19 Nov 2013)

David Norris: I move amendment No. 7: In page 6, lines 39 and 40, to delete “ or to an independent member”.It is all part of the same argument about statement of expenditure. I wanted to exclude the Independent Members from preparing a statement of any expenditure from the allowance to be paid to the parliamentary leader or to the Independent Member, as the case may be. How much more work...

Seanad: Oireachtas (Ministerial and Parliamentary Offices) (Amendment) Bill 2013: Committee Stage (Resumed) (19 Nov 2013)

David Norris: It has relevance in that I would like to be treated with dignity. I do not want to be monitored. The next thing we will have chips put in our ankles so that when we pass the gate we will be recorded. Will we be required to put up our hands and say, "An bhfuil cead agam dul go dtí an leithreas, a Chathaorligh?" I would like to be treated with a bit of respect. Unfortunately, some in...

Seanad: Oireachtas (Ministerial and Parliamentary Offices) (Amendment) Bill 2013: Committee Stage (Resumed) (19 Nov 2013)

David Norris: I do not mean to be impertinent or to interrupt but I have never received any claim form or anything that told me I could claim anything back. It may operate in the Lower House but it certainly does not operate here. I am delighted to hear that Members of the Dáil, who basically run everything, have feathered their own nests in this way. Could they put a few spare feathers in our nest?

Seanad: Oireachtas (Ministerial and Parliamentary Offices) (Amendment) Bill 2013: Committee Stage (Resumed) (19 Nov 2013)

David Norris: I get over-umbraged very quickly. I am pointing out-----

Seanad: Oireachtas (Ministerial and Parliamentary Offices) (Amendment) Bill 2013: Committee Stage (Resumed) (19 Nov 2013)

David Norris: Could I get a very brief answer from the Minister to this question? Could he explain the impact of the McKenna judgement as it relates to this section? I did not quite understand it. It may be my obtuseness.

Seanad: Oireachtas (Ministerial and Parliamentary Offices) (Amendment) Bill 2013: Committee Stage (Resumed) (19 Nov 2013)

David Norris: I will end on this and we will move on. That relates to payments during the election. It does not say anything about what happens after the election and I was very careful to say that it was important that people who had not been previously elected should be remunerated on a sliding scale with regard to the votes they got. Apparently, this situation does exist in the Dáil so I am...

Seanad: Oireachtas (Ministerial and Parliamentary Offices) (Amendment) Bill 2013: Committee Stage (Resumed) (19 Nov 2013)

David Norris: Thanks to the disgraceful behaviour of the media, I did not reach the target, having gone down from 39% when the person who is now President was about 9% or 7%. I would like to let the Minister know because this will gladden his heart that I am in the middle of eight libel actions and so far, four of them have been resolved in my favour outside the court. I have now reimbursed myself by my...

Seanad: Oireachtas (Ministerial and Parliamentary Offices) (Amendment) Bill 2013: Committee Stage (Resumed) (19 Nov 2013)

David Norris: No. I want to allow the Minister's words of wisdom to marinate.

Seanad: Oireachtas (Ministerial and Parliamentary Offices) (Amendment) Bill 2013: Committee Stage (Resumed) (19 Nov 2013)

David Norris: I would like to say a few words about the section. I put an amendment down which was not allowed. The idea behind it should be considered by Government. This idea is absolutely transparent. Get rid of all the allowances. One can make any kind of justification one wants. I will not rehearse matters as I have put the historical reasons for these allowances on the record and they do not do...

Seanad: Oireachtas (Ministerial and Parliamentary Offices) (Amendment) Bill 2013: Committee Stage (Resumed) (19 Nov 2013)

David Norris: I move amendment No. 6: In page 4, to delete lines 35 to 40, and in page 5, to delete lines 1 to 4.This involves the deletion of section 2(6), in which it is stated that an allowance paid under this section shall not be used for, or to recoup, election or poll expenses incurred for the purposes of any election or poll held under various Acts, including the Seanad Electoral (University...

Seanad: Oireachtas (Ministerial and Parliamentary Offices) (Amendment) Bill 2013: Committee Stage (Resumed) (19 Nov 2013)

David Norris: I achieved almost two quotas on the last occasion.

Seanad: Oireachtas (Ministerial and Parliamentary Offices) (Amendment) Bill 2013: Committee Stage (Resumed) (19 Nov 2013)

David Norris: Why could one not do it in this House?

Seanad: Oireachtas (Ministerial and Parliamentary Offices) (Amendment) Bill 2013: Committee Stage (Resumed) (19 Nov 2013)

David Norris: It does.

Seanad: Oireachtas (Ministerial and Parliamentary Offices) (Amendment) Bill 2013: Committee Stage (Resumed) (19 Nov 2013)

David Norris: There was plenty of venom in Fianna Fáil when they kicked out Dessie O'Malley.

Seanad: Oireachtas (Ministerial and Parliamentary Offices) (Amendment) Bill 2013: Committee Stage (Resumed) (19 Nov 2013)

David Norris: When one is as old as I am, those were recent times.

Seanad: Oireachtas (Ministerial and Parliamentary Offices) (Amendment) Bill 2013: Committee Stage (Resumed) (19 Nov 2013)

David Norris: I am sure he would not even have said it when the former Taoiseach, Liam Cosgrave, crossed the floor to vote against his own Government's Bill on contraception.

Seanad: Oireachtas (Ministerial and Parliamentary Offices) (Amendment) Bill 2013: Committee Stage (Resumed) (19 Nov 2013)

David Norris: I thought he acknowledged that they did not want that in their amendment. He certainly did the last time.

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