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Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Garda Oversight and Accountability: Discussion (25 Apr 2018)

Alan Kelly: The Commissioner is outside the country and the Deputy Commissioner is, and I represent Templemore, at a certificate graduation for examinations in Templemore.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Garda Oversight and Accountability: Discussion (25 Apr 2018)

Alan Kelly: In fairness, there are other issues. I have looked at all the questioning. There are so many questions Mr. Nugent has to get back to people. He will be fairly busy getting back whereas if either or both of them were here, we would be able to get through them fairly quickly. The event to be attended by the Commissioner is at 12 p.m. I understand it is usually the chief of the college who...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Garda Oversight and Accountability: Discussion (25 Apr 2018)

Alan Kelly: Mr. Nugent is not a ranking garda.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Garda Oversight and Accountability: Discussion (25 Apr 2018)

Alan Kelly: I am aware. I am just offering a personal opinion.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Garda Oversight and Accountability: Discussion (25 Apr 2018)

Alan Kelly: On the last five occasions on which these certificates were given out, who gave them out? There is no one attesting in Templemore today. I will not go over some of the questions because some have been asked forensically. Deputy Wallace earlier went through a lot of my questions on IT tendering, IT systems and IT procurement processes and the issue of IT personnel. I have been through...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Garda Oversight and Accountability: Discussion (25 Apr 2018)

Alan Kelly: Mr. Nugent did a verbal report.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Garda Oversight and Accountability: Discussion (25 Apr 2018)

Alan Kelly: Mr. Nugent subsequently did a written report.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Garda Oversight and Accountability: Discussion (25 Apr 2018)

Alan Kelly: To clarify, Mr. Nugent did a verbal report on the previous Commissioner's Gmail account and usage and a general written report on the overall use of private email accounts for the Policing Authority.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Garda Oversight and Accountability: Discussion (25 Apr 2018)

Alan Kelly: Let us look at that. On the verbal report, given everything we now know in the public domain and the evidence Mr. Nugent gave the last time that there was no evidence of official emails of a sensitive nature or something like that, does he still believe that to be the case? Is it the case that when he looked at the former Commissioner's private email account he did not see one thing that...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Garda Oversight and Accountability: Discussion (25 Apr 2018)

Alan Kelly: Let us deal with the "or" bit. Did Mr. Nugent see anything that was official?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Garda Oversight and Accountability: Discussion (25 Apr 2018)

Alan Kelly: Mr. Nugent did not make us aware of it the last time at the committee.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Garda Oversight and Accountability: Discussion (25 Apr 2018)

Alan Kelly: Let us just clarify it once and for all. Mr. Nugent looked through the emails. We have a lot of information in the public domain. Mr. Nugent saw one email that was of an official nature.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Garda Oversight and Accountability: Discussion (25 Apr 2018)

Alan Kelly: Mr. Nugent saw nothing else.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Garda Oversight and Accountability: Discussion (25 Apr 2018)

Alan Kelly: Let us separate the sensitive and official bit. Did Mr. Nugent see anything that was not official but was of a sensitive nature?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Garda Oversight and Accountability: Discussion (25 Apr 2018)

Alan Kelly: There was no official documentation or emails from PR agencies. There was nothing like that.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Garda Oversight and Accountability: Discussion (25 Apr 2018)

Alan Kelly: There was no Garda documentation whatsoever.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Garda Oversight and Accountability: Discussion (25 Apr 2018)

Alan Kelly: With regard to the report Mr. Nugent is doing for the Policing Authority on general email policy, the Policing Authority was very dissatisfied with how far that has gone. Where is it at now?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Garda Oversight and Accountability: Discussion (25 Apr 2018)

Alan Kelly: Does Mr. Nugent expect it to be discussed at the next Policing Authority meeting?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Garda Oversight and Accountability: Discussion (25 Apr 2018)

Alan Kelly: I know that.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Garda Oversight and Accountability: Discussion (25 Apr 2018)

Alan Kelly: I have done this previously and I would like to do it again. I would like to ask a double-barrelled, quick-fire question to all the witnesses. We can start at the front. It requires a "Yes" or "No" answer. Did the witnesses in their work for An Garda Síochána ever send or receive any official Garda documentation to or from a Gmail or private email account? Did the witnesses...

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