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Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 13 - Development of ICT Systems by the Department of Justice and Equality
Vote 24: Justice and Equality
(26 Apr 2018)

Alan Kelly: What division is it under now?

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 13 - Development of ICT Systems by the Department of Justice and Equality
Vote 24: Justice and Equality
(26 Apr 2018)

Alan Kelly: The alignment of divisions into the future and looking at separating them will be done by June.

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 13 - Development of ICT Systems by the Department of Justice and Equality
Vote 24: Justice and Equality
(26 Apr 2018)

Alan Kelly: That is right, but surely-----

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 13 - Development of ICT Systems by the Department of Justice and Equality
Vote 24: Justice and Equality
(26 Apr 2018)

Alan Kelly: That is my point. They are on the same timelines because it would make sense.

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 13 - Development of ICT Systems by the Department of Justice and Equality
Vote 24: Justice and Equality
(26 Apr 2018)

Alan Kelly: In fairness, I think it would be strange if the Department was not allowed the time to do it in parallel because they are interconnected.

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 13 - Development of ICT Systems by the Department of Justice and Equality
Vote 24: Justice and Equality
(26 Apr 2018)

Alan Kelly: My last question-----

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 13 - Development of ICT Systems by the Department of Justice and Equality
Vote 24: Justice and Equality
(26 Apr 2018)

Alan Kelly: I was interrupted five times.

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 13 - Development of ICT Systems by the Department of Justice and Equality
Vote 24: Justice and Equality
(26 Apr 2018)

Alan Kelly: My last question relates to issues that were dealt with before on the search for documentation. I am not drifting into issues dealt with by the tribunal. The Collins report said there was no meaningful explanation for why certain email accounts of Ministers and advisers were not searched. At the Committee on Justice and Equality, at which Ms McPhillips appeared on 6 December, she said she...

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 13 - Development of ICT Systems by the Department of Justice and Equality
Vote 24: Justice and Equality
(26 Apr 2018)

Alan Kelly: As a consequence of the meeting on 6 December, all phone records of senior people in the Department, including Ministers and advisers; all emails of Ministers, advisers, and senior people; and all private emails of senior people, Ministers and advisers were checked and trawled through.

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 13 - Development of ICT Systems by the Department of Justice and Equality
Vote 24: Justice and Equality
(26 Apr 2018)

Alan Kelly: It is for clarity and it is very important. I have read the Collins report and it said it was an issue that certain people in the policing area were not checked, including the Minister and advisers. Are we saying that to this day, as a Department, mobile phone records, private emails and departmental emails, or some combination of those, have not been trawled through?

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 13 - Development of ICT Systems by the Department of Justice and Equality
Vote 24: Justice and Equality
(26 Apr 2018)

Alan Kelly: My specific question-----

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 13 - Development of ICT Systems by the Department of Justice and Equality
Vote 24: Justice and Equality
(26 Apr 2018)

Alan Kelly: My specific question has not been answered.

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 13 - Development of ICT Systems by the Department of Justice and Equality
Vote 24: Justice and Equality
(26 Apr 2018)

Alan Kelly: To be clear for the public, the phone records of senior people in the Department, former Ministers and advisers, and the private emails of the former Minister, former advisers and senior people were not gone through.

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 13 - Development of ICT Systems by the Department of Justice and Equality
Vote 24: Justice and Equality
(26 Apr 2018)

Alan Kelly: I am not asking Ms McPhillips to do that. I am only asking for the facts.

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 13 - Development of ICT Systems by the Department of Justice and Equality
Vote 24: Justice and Equality
(26 Apr 2018)

Alan Kelly: For the record, private email and phone records of all senior people in the Department, the Minister and advisers have not been gone through with regard to the work-----

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 13 - Development of ICT Systems by the Department of Justice and Equality
Vote 24: Justice and Equality
(26 Apr 2018)

Alan Kelly: I am not making any judgment on the work at all. I am just asking for facts.

Nurses' and Midwives' Pay and Recruitment: Motion [Private Members] (25 Apr 2018)

Alan Kelly: What will happen to the patients there who will either have to go home or be transferred to one of the most overcrowded hospitals in Ireland, South Tipperary General Hospital?

Nurses' and Midwives' Pay and Recruitment: Motion [Private Members] (25 Apr 2018)

Alan Kelly: Tipperary is served by University Hospital Limerick on one side and South Tipperary General Hospital on the other - the two most overcrowded hospitals in Ireland. We are talking about moving patients, some of them over 100 years of age-----

Nurses' and Midwives' Pay and Recruitment: Motion [Private Members] (25 Apr 2018)

Alan Kelly: -----into that hospital.

Nurses' and Midwives' Pay and Recruitment: Motion [Private Members] (25 Apr 2018)

Alan Kelly: Staff do not know where they will be based on Saturday.

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