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Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: National Cervical Screening Programme: Department of Health, HSE, CervicalCheck and the National Cancer Control Programme (2 May 2018)

Alan Kelly: There are six in total at various stages. I will direct my question to the HSE in a minute.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: National Cervical Screening Programme: Department of Health, HSE, CervicalCheck and the National Cancer Control Programme (2 May 2018)

Alan Kelly: I direct the same question to the HSE.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: National Cervical Screening Programme: Department of Health, HSE, CervicalCheck and the National Cancer Control Programme (2 May 2018)

Alan Kelly: That was in 2013.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: National Cervical Screening Programme: Department of Health, HSE, CervicalCheck and the National Cancer Control Programme (2 May 2018)

Alan Kelly: I stand corrected.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: National Cervical Screening Programme: Department of Health, HSE, CervicalCheck and the National Cancer Control Programme (2 May 2018)

Alan Kelly: I want to clarify this for the public because this is all new information. I am aware of that case. The Department of Health says there are six cases in train, for want of a better phrase, of which it is aware from the State Claims Agency. Is that correct?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: National Cervical Screening Programme: Department of Health, HSE, CervicalCheck and the National Cancer Control Programme (2 May 2018)

Alan Kelly: The HSE says there are ten active claims.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: National Cervical Screening Programme: Department of Health, HSE, CervicalCheck and the National Cancer Control Programme (2 May 2018)

Alan Kelly: Potentially, there will be ten active cases.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: National Cervical Screening Programme: Department of Health, HSE, CervicalCheck and the National Cancer Control Programme (2 May 2018)

Alan Kelly: I am trying to get at whether the witnesses are aligned as to the fact that there are six active and four potential cases.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: National Cervical Screening Programme: Department of Health, HSE, CervicalCheck and the National Cancer Control Programme (2 May 2018)

Alan Kelly: There are ten cases, six of which are active and four of which are potential, and there is one historic case on which we do not have the full details.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: National Cervical Screening Programme: Department of Health, HSE, CervicalCheck and the National Cancer Control Programme (2 May 2018)

Alan Kelly: We have one historic, ten which are divided, six and four, respectively, as active and potentially active, and one other. That is the executive summary. On the historic case, is either the HSE or the Department of Health aware of the case? If so, are they aware that a non-disclosure agreement was signed in the case?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: National Cervical Screening Programme: Department of Health, HSE, CervicalCheck and the National Cancer Control Programme (2 May 2018)

Alan Kelly: Yes.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: National Cervical Screening Programme: Department of Health, HSE, CervicalCheck and the National Cancer Control Programme (2 May 2018)

Alan Kelly: At all. What about the Department of Health?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: National Cervical Screening Programme: Department of Health, HSE, CervicalCheck and the National Cancer Control Programme (2 May 2018)

Alan Kelly: We now have new information that there are ten to 11 other cases which are similar in some way to Vicky Phelan's. That is new information today. When did the Department become aware of these cases? Is it only in the past 24 hours?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: National Cervical Screening Programme: Department of Health, HSE, CervicalCheck and the National Cancer Control Programme (2 May 2018)

Alan Kelly: Why did the Department not ask before?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: National Cervical Screening Programme: Department of Health, HSE, CervicalCheck and the National Cancer Control Programme (2 May 2018)

Alan Kelly: I am asking a question.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: National Cervical Screening Programme: Department of Health, HSE, CervicalCheck and the National Cancer Control Programme (2 May 2018)

Alan Kelly: I presume that the question was asked following our meeting yesterday.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: National Cervical Screening Programme: Department of Health, HSE, CervicalCheck and the National Cancer Control Programme (2 May 2018)

Alan Kelly: When did Mr. O'Brien become aware of these cases? Has he been continually aware of these issues?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: National Cervical Screening Programme: Department of Health, HSE, CervicalCheck and the National Cancer Control Programme (2 May 2018)

Alan Kelly: Mr. O'Brien was not aware before today.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: National Cervical Screening Programme: Department of Health, HSE, CervicalCheck and the National Cancer Control Programme (2 May 2018)

Alan Kelly: Before today.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: National Cervical Screening Programme: Department of Health, HSE, CervicalCheck and the National Cancer Control Programme (2 May 2018)

Alan Kelly: It is extraordinary. While it is a subjective question, I found it amazing, albeit I believe him completely, that Mr. O'Brien found out about Vicky Phelan's case and the issues around it from the RTÉ website. The Minister for Health was aware of it before Mr. O'Brien. How did that make Mr. O'Brien feel?

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