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Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: National Cervical Screening Programme: Department of Health, HSE, CervicalCheck and the National Cancer Control Programme (2 May 2018)

Alan Kelly: I presume that the question was asked following our meeting yesterday.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: National Cervical Screening Programme: Department of Health, HSE, CervicalCheck and the National Cancer Control Programme (2 May 2018)

Alan Kelly: When did Mr. O'Brien become aware of these cases? Has he been continually aware of these issues?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: National Cervical Screening Programme: Department of Health, HSE, CervicalCheck and the National Cancer Control Programme (2 May 2018)

Alan Kelly: Mr. O'Brien was not aware before today.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: National Cervical Screening Programme: Department of Health, HSE, CervicalCheck and the National Cancer Control Programme (2 May 2018)

Alan Kelly: Before today.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: National Cervical Screening Programme: Department of Health, HSE, CervicalCheck and the National Cancer Control Programme (2 May 2018)

Alan Kelly: It is extraordinary. While it is a subjective question, I found it amazing, albeit I believe him completely, that Mr. O'Brien found out about Vicky Phelan's case and the issues around it from the RTÉ website. The Minister for Health was aware of it before Mr. O'Brien. How did that make Mr. O'Brien feel?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: National Cervical Screening Programme: Department of Health, HSE, CervicalCheck and the National Cancer Control Programme (2 May 2018)

Alan Kelly: Did Mr. O'Brien feel undermined?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: National Cervical Screening Programme: Department of Health, HSE, CervicalCheck and the National Cancer Control Programme (2 May 2018)

Alan Kelly: In the last 24 hours, the Taoiseach has said that since this commenced in 2008, there have been double eyes on every smear. That gives a sense of comfort. Obviously, two sets of people are looking at it. Are we completely sure that has been the case since 2008?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: National Cervical Screening Programme: Department of Health, HSE, CervicalCheck and the National Cancer Control Programme (2 May 2018)

Alan Kelly: The reason I ask is that the 2009 quality assurance document from CervicalCheck sets out at paragraph 5.2.2.2 the conditions under which there is a second check. It is long and I will not read it out in full. However, I ask Mr. O'Brien to refer to it. It does not say they are all checked. I presume that changed subsequently. It lists the conditions and sampling under which they should be...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: National Cervical Screening Programme: Department of Health, HSE, CervicalCheck and the National Cancer Control Programme (2 May 2018)

Alan Kelly: I know.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: National Cervical Screening Programme: Department of Health, HSE, CervicalCheck and the National Cancer Control Programme (2 May 2018)

Alan Kelly: Will Mr. O'Brien cross reference and make sure?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: National Cervical Screening Programme: Department of Health, HSE, CervicalCheck and the National Cancer Control Programme (2 May 2018)

Alan Kelly: I know that. This is my last question. The last question relates to the bombshell, as I described it in the Dáil yesterday, when the Minister came in. He was obviously not aware of the new information regarding the approximately 1,500 women who have not been audited. For me and the public, it is incomprehensible that we had a national cancer control programme with its layers of...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: National Cervical Screening Programme: Department of Health, HSE, CervicalCheck and the National Cancer Control Programme (2 May 2018)

Alan Kelly: I would like somebody to answer my question.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: National Cervical Screening Programme: Department of Health, HSE, CervicalCheck and the National Cancer Control Programme (2 May 2018)

Alan Kelly: Can I have an answer to my question? I asked a question and all I want is a quick answer.

National Cervical Screening Programme: Statements (1 May 2018)

Alan Kelly: That is fine but the volume.

National Cervical Screening Programme: Statements (1 May 2018)

Alan Kelly: I agree 100% but the volume.

National Cervical Screening Programme: Statements (1 May 2018)

Alan Kelly: Consider the alternatives as well.

National Cervical Screening Programme: Statements (1 May 2018)

Alan Kelly: Ms Vicky Phelan will be talking about this on "Prime Time". Instead of maintaining confidence, the people who did not do their jobs and said this to the Minister as he walked in here tonight are causing a crisis.

National Cervical Screening Programme: Statements (1 May 2018)

Alan Kelly: I have 15 minutes and it is a sensitive enough issue.

National Cervical Screening Programme: Statements (1 May 2018)

Alan Kelly: The Acting Chairman is taking up my time now.

National Cervical Screening Programme: Statements (1 May 2018)

Alan Kelly: I will move on but the Acting Chairman is taking up my time. He should put on a minute at the end. This is ridiculous and it is too sensitive an issue to be like that.

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