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Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform: Pre-Budget Submissions: Discussion (Resumed) (16 Jul 2014)

Ciarán Lynch: We will not all agree with the Deputy.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform: Pre-Budget Submissions: Discussion (Resumed) (16 Jul 2014)

Ciarán Lynch: The Deputy should focus on just one commonality, as he does not have time. He has already spoken for four minutes.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform: Pre-Budget Submissions: Discussion (Resumed) (16 Jul 2014)

Ciarán Lynch: The Deputy should put a question, as otherwise, he will run out of time. I want to get to everyone.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform: Pre-Budget Submissions: Discussion (Resumed) (16 Jul 2014)

Ciarán Lynch: We could do with a gender balance.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform: Pre-Budget Submissions: Discussion (Resumed) (16 Jul 2014)

Ciarán Lynch: Will the Deputy, please, turn his mobile phone off as it is causing interference with the recording system?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform: Pre-Budget Submissions: Discussion (Resumed) (16 Jul 2014)

Ciarán Lynch: Deputy Doherty is running out of time.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform: Pre-Budget Submissions: Discussion (Resumed) (16 Jul 2014)

Ciarán Lynch: In that case I will move on to Deputy O'Donnell.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform: Pre-Budget Submissions: Discussion (Resumed) (16 Jul 2014)

Ciarán Lynch: The appeals process is very clear in that regard. Where it becomes difficult is where the person is arguing that they perhaps did not provide this or that.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform: Pre-Budget Submissions: Discussion (Resumed) (16 Jul 2014)

Ciarán Lynch: I have had those cases of 20 years.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform: Pre-Budget Submissions: Discussion (Resumed) (16 Jul 2014)

Ciarán Lynch: However, there is no interest applied on that sum. There is no compound effect. If the sum is €15,000, it remains €15,000 for the next 30 or 40 years.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform: Pre-Budget Submissions: Discussion (Resumed) (16 Jul 2014)

Ciarán Lynch: Thank you. I call Deputy McGrath.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform: Pre-Budget Submissions: Discussion (Resumed) (16 Jul 2014)

Ciarán Lynch: I am very interested in Mr. Hanan's concept of jobseeker's payments moving to an hours-based scheme as opposed to a daily one. I was that soldier once and it had a very adverse impact. If one gets only one or two hours of work every day, amounting to 16 hours over the course of a week, which is two day's work, how can that be modelled? If somebody earns minimum wage and works eight or six...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform: Pre-Budget Submissions: Discussion (Resumed) (16 Jul 2014)

Ciarán Lynch: There would be a distinct difference between a person who receives benefit and a person who receives allowance.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform: Pre-Budget Submissions: Discussion (Resumed) (16 Jul 2014)

Ciarán Lynch: For instance, if one is unemployed and receiving benefit one could earn €1,000 working on a Tuesday, theoretically, without any impact on the days for which one is signing on. If one receives allowance and earns just €100 for a day's work, it would have a very significant impact on the payments one receives for the remainder of the week.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform: Pre-Budget Submissions: Discussion (Resumed) (16 Jul 2014)

Ciarán Lynch: I have first-hand experience of the concept and have seen the difficulties of it. How can it be reconciled?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform: Pre-Budget Submissions: Discussion (Resumed) (16 Jul 2014)

Ciarán Lynch: Does EAPN Ireland have a proposal on how it might be reconciled or does it suggest it must be examined?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform: Pre-Budget Submissions: Discussion (Resumed) (16 Jul 2014)

Ciarán Lynch: The family income supplement is a better model than a daily social welfare rate.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform: Pre-Budget Submissions: Discussion (Resumed) (16 Jul 2014)

Ciarán Lynch: Family income supplement may be more equitable. Could Ms Fahy expand on her thoughts about training or work experience opportunities for young early school leavers? Based on my background, training should be part of any work experience.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform: Pre-Budget Submissions: Discussion (Resumed) (16 Jul 2014)

Ciarán Lynch: I was an adult literacy organiser in my previous work, to which I may return. One of the difficulties my colleagues in the field talk about is the people at or below FETAC level 3. A certain degree of flexibility is required for this client group because their first experience of education was not positive and dealing with the structure of the system is very difficult for them. Given that...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform: Pre-Budget Submissions: Discussion (Resumed) (16 Jul 2014)

Ciarán Lynch: I am sure the other Deputies, like me, have people coming to them with overpayments of €500 to €30,000. They can go on for years. By and large I have found the Department to be fairly sensible about what is achievable in cases where a person on a fixed, low income owes a large amount of money. Even an overpayment of €30,000 could be reconciled with a payment of...

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