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Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health
Health Service Executive - Financial Statements 2021 (Resumed)
(6 Oct 2022)

Brian Stanley: What about nationally, though? I expect Mr. McCallion to have some insight on this.

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health
Health Service Executive - Financial Statements 2021 (Resumed)
(6 Oct 2022)

Brian Stanley: What is Mr. McCallion's sense of it nationally?

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health
Health Service Executive - Financial Statements 2021 (Resumed)
(6 Oct 2022)

Brian Stanley: Are there hospitals in which 20% of the private work has been exceeded?

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health
Health Service Executive - Financial Statements 2021 (Resumed)
(6 Oct 2022)

Brian Stanley: How far is it going? Is it going to 25%, 30% or 40%?

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health
Health Service Executive - Financial Statements 2021 (Resumed)
(6 Oct 2022)

Brian Stanley: There is a perception, based on feedback from staff in various hospitals, that the people who run the hospitals are the consultants. They control patient flow, waiting lists and all the critical issues in hospitals. How accurate is that? Who actually runs the hospitals? Is it managers or consultants?

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health
Health Service Executive - Financial Statements 2021 (Resumed)
(6 Oct 2022)

Brian Stanley: Can Mr. Mulvany point to who calls the shots when the big decisions have to be made?

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health
Health Service Executive - Financial Statements 2021 (Resumed)
(6 Oct 2022)

Brian Stanley: It is in terms of overall management. The consultants are, some would say, the most powerful group within a hospital, and we have a shortage of them. I do not want to be hard on consultants because they do a very difficult job and they are highly skilled. We and our families are all dependent on them. In terms of the important management decisions, however, is it Mr. Mulvany's sense that...

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health
Health Service Executive - Financial Statements 2021 (Resumed)
(6 Oct 2022)

Brian Stanley: I ask the Deputy to allow Mr. Mulvany to answer.

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health
Health Service Executive - Financial Statements 2021 (Resumed)
(6 Oct 2022)

Brian Stanley: It caught my eye when I was reading my notes for the meeting that the hand sanitiser has a best-before date. I was under the impression alcohol improves with age.

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health
Health Service Executive - Financial Statements 2021 (Resumed)
(6 Oct 2022)

Brian Stanley: Some things may not improve but I had thought that drinks, especially those that have a high concentration of alcohol, such as anything above 13% or 14% alcohol by volume, seem to improve.

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health
Health Service Executive - Financial Statements 2021 (Resumed)
(6 Oct 2022)

Brian Stanley: There remains a high demand for hand sanitiser and so on because Covid is still here and we are still vaccinating people. Apparently, the incidence of the virus is on the rise again, so there is a need for hand sanitiser in workplaces, schools and other buildings. Why would we throw it out or dispose of it? Is there not a question mark over the best-before date? I saw a figure suggesting...

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health
Health Service Executive - Financial Statements 2021 (Resumed)
(6 Oct 2022)

Brian Stanley: Can that not be reviewed? I cannot for the life of me understand why we would waste hand sanitiser that has a high concentration of alcohol.

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health
Health Service Executive - Financial Statements 2021 (Resumed)
(6 Oct 2022)

Brian Stanley: Hospitals need gallons of it.

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health
Health Service Executive - Financial Statements 2021 (Resumed)
(6 Oct 2022)

Brian Stanley: In light of this meeting, will our guests review this and distribute the product to health centres, section 38 organisations and whoever else within the health services needs it, such as hospitals and nursing units?

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health
Health Service Executive - Financial Statements 2021 (Resumed)
(6 Oct 2022)

Brian Stanley: The question I am asking the team is this: will somebody explain to me how it has gone out of date?

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health
Health Service Executive - Financial Statements 2021 (Resumed)
(6 Oct 2022)

Brian Stanley: Maybe it does. I am not an expert.

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health
Health Service Executive - Financial Statements 2021 (Resumed)
(6 Oct 2022)

Brian Stanley: I would be surprised if it goes out of date that quickly. It is only a couple of years since it started.

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health
Health Service Executive - Financial Statements 2021 (Resumed)
(6 Oct 2022)

Brian Stanley: My one is out of date but I am still using it.

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health
Health Service Executive - Financial Statements 2021 (Resumed)
(6 Oct 2022)

Brian Stanley: Mine says 7 April and there is still a strong smell of alcohol from it.

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health
Health Service Executive - Financial Statements 2021 (Resumed)
(6 Oct 2022)

Brian Stanley: Nor am I. I am a very moderate drinker, I can assure Mr. Mulvany. I call Deputy Catherine Murphy.

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