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Public Accounts Committee: State Claims, Management of Legal Costs and Policy on Open Disclosure
Implications of CervicalCheck Revelations
2016 Financial Statements of the State Claims Agency
2016 Financial Statements of the HSE
(10 May 2018)

Alan Kelly: Will Deputy Marc MacSharry be asking questions related to this memo or in the current round of questions?

Public Accounts Committee: State Claims, Management of Legal Costs and Policy on Open Disclosure
Implications of CervicalCheck Revelations
2016 Financial Statements of the State Claims Agency
2016 Financial Statements of the HSE
(10 May 2018)

Alan Kelly: No, the Deputy is.

Public Accounts Committee: State Claims, Management of Legal Costs and Policy on Open Disclosure
Implications of CervicalCheck Revelations
2016 Financial Statements of the State Claims Agency
2016 Financial Statements of the HSE
(10 May 2018)

Alan Kelly: Thank you, Mr. Mitchell.

Public Accounts Committee: State Claims, Management of Legal Costs and Policy on Open Disclosure
Implications of CervicalCheck Revelations
2016 Financial Statements of the State Claims Agency
2016 Financial Statements of the HSE
(10 May 2018)

Alan Kelly: Time is up, Deputy.

Public Accounts Committee: State Claims, Management of Legal Costs and Policy on Open Disclosure
Implications of CervicalCheck Revelations
2016 Financial Statements of the State Claims Agency
2016 Financial Statements of the HSE
(10 May 2018)

Alan Kelly: I call Deputy Marc MacSharry.

Public Accounts Committee: State Claims, Management of Legal Costs and Policy on Open Disclosure
Implications of CervicalCheck Revelations
2016 Financial Statements of the State Claims Agency
2016 Financial Statements of the HSE
(10 May 2018)

Alan Kelly: I call Deputy Marc MacSharry.

Public Accounts Committee: State Claims, Management of Legal Costs and Policy on Open Disclosure
Implications of CervicalCheck Revelations
2016 Financial Statements of the State Claims Agency
2016 Financial Statements of the HSE
(10 May 2018)

Alan Kelly: We are trying to keep to six to eight minutes per person.

Public Accounts Committee: State Claims, Management of Legal Costs and Policy on Open Disclosure
Implications of CervicalCheck Revelations
2016 Financial Statements of the State Claims Agency
2016 Financial Statements of the HSE
(10 May 2018)

Alan Kelly: Deputy Connolly asked a question. What was it?

Public Accounts Committee: State Claims, Management of Legal Costs and Policy on Open Disclosure
Implications of CervicalCheck Revelations
2016 Financial Statements of the State Claims Agency
2016 Financial Statements of the HSE
(10 May 2018)

Alan Kelly: We might ask the recorders to find out. After Deputy MacSharry concludes, the next speakers will be Deputies Cullinane, Murphy and Connolly in that order.

Public Accounts Committee: State Claims, Management of Legal Costs and Policy on Open Disclosure
Implications of CervicalCheck Revelations
2016 Financial Statements of the State Claims Agency
2016 Financial Statements of the HSE
(10 May 2018)

Alan Kelly: Yes.

Public Accounts Committee: State Claims, Management of Legal Costs and Policy on Open Disclosure
Implications of CervicalCheck Revelations
2016 Financial Statements of the State Claims Agency
2016 Financial Statements of the HSE
(10 May 2018)

Alan Kelly: I am due to speak next but I will ask Deputy Cullinane to contribute now to allow me to take a note of some questions I wish to ask. He will be followed by Deputies Connolly, Murphy and O'Brien in that order.

Public Accounts Committee: State Claims, Management of Legal Costs and Policy on Open Disclosure
Implications of CervicalCheck Revelations
2016 Financial Statements of the State Claims Agency
2016 Financial Statements of the HSE
(10 May 2018)

Alan Kelly: It was Stephanie O'Keeffe and John Gleeson. John Gleeson prepared it on behalf of Stephanie O'Keeffe. To be fair, John Gleeson's title is CervicalCheck programme manager, national screening service, health and wellbeing division, and he prepared this on behalf of Stephanie O'Keeffe, national director, health and wellbeing. That is just so that everyone knows who we are talking about.

Public Accounts Committee: State Claims, Management of Legal Costs and Policy on Open Disclosure
Implications of CervicalCheck Revelations
2016 Financial Statements of the State Claims Agency
2016 Financial Statements of the HSE
(10 May 2018)

Alan Kelly: I will jump in with a few questions here. I will not be long. I appreciate that HSE colleagues here have only just seen this and we do not know if the Department of Health had a copy of this at the time, albeit we will find out in the coming days. There are three versions. Without putting words in his mouth, the Secretary General said it was likely it was sent on. What jumps out most to...

Public Accounts Committee: State Claims, Management of Legal Costs and Policy on Open Disclosure
Implications of CervicalCheck Revelations
2016 Financial Statements of the State Claims Agency
2016 Financial Statements of the HSE
(10 May 2018)

Alan Kelly: This is the complete opposite of what I heard this morning. From what I heard this morning, I would have been under the impression that a communications strategy was put in place to communicate with the people most affected - the women. This is a strategy to ensure that the HSE and the corporate brand is protected and to ensure that there were communications processes with clinicians in...

Public Accounts Committee: State Claims, Management of Legal Costs and Policy on Open Disclosure
Implications of CervicalCheck Revelations
2016 Financial Statements of the State Claims Agency
2016 Financial Statements of the HSE
(10 May 2018)

Alan Kelly: It forgets that they all only exist for the betterment of people's health, including that of the end users, namely, these women. This is a devastating document because of the tone used and manner in which it is written and in light of what it focuses on from a communications point of view. I rest my case.

Public Accounts Committee: State Claims, Management of Legal Costs and Policy on Open Disclosure
Implications of CervicalCheck Revelations
2016 Financial Statements of the State Claims Agency
2016 Financial Statements of the HSE
(10 May 2018)

Alan Kelly: What would the National Patient Safety Office have to say about all of this? I hope it is watching this.

Public Accounts Committee: State Claims, Management of Legal Costs and Policy on Open Disclosure
Implications of CervicalCheck Revelations
2016 Financial Statements of the State Claims Agency
2016 Financial Statements of the HSE
(10 May 2018)

Alan Kelly: It is incredible.

Public Accounts Committee: State Claims, Management of Legal Costs and Policy on Open Disclosure
Implications of CervicalCheck Revelations
2016 Financial Statements of the State Claims Agency
2016 Financial Statements of the HSE
(10 May 2018)

Alan Kelly: We will have to find out. The last document is not signed. We need to find out who wrote it, the context in which it was written and who the writer was reporting to. Is it by the same people who wrote the other two memos? We do not know and cannot say, and to be fair to those people we have to find that out. It is quite damning if the proposed next steps are as outlined in this memo. It...

Public Accounts Committee: State Claims, Management of Legal Costs and Policy on Open Disclosure
Implications of CervicalCheck Revelations
2016 Financial Statements of the State Claims Agency
2016 Financial Statements of the HSE
(10 May 2018)

Alan Kelly: Is that okay?

Public Accounts Committee: State Claims, Management of Legal Costs and Policy on Open Disclosure
Implications of CervicalCheck Revelations
2016 Financial Statements of the State Claims Agency
2016 Financial Statements of the HSE
(10 May 2018)

Alan Kelly: In fairness, we asked for the memo today and we can only work on what we have here today. If there was a final, final, final memo, it should have been provided. What we are working off today is all we can work off. We cannot deal in hypotheses.

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