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Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (22 Oct 2015)

John Deasy: I know it is different and we should finalise it. That is fair enough.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (22 Oct 2015)

John Deasy: Is the Chairman referring to the investigations unit?

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (22 Oct 2015)

John Deasy: I have been corresponding with the Secretary General's office regarding the Tom Galvin case, on the suggestion of the clerk to this committee. The Department has provided me with a general timeline on how it intends to deal with the issue. The new steering group met Mr. Galvin and it believes that a recommendation or decision will be made in December. The Department has acted in that...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (22 Oct 2015)

John Deasy: I am conscious that this is Deputy Costello's constituency and he knows a great deal more about this than I do having been involved in it for years. We are going to bring the Department in with regard to arts and heritage - it will be coming in with regard to the Aer Arann tender document - and surely we can ask the officials at the same meeting when we are going to raise Moore Street what...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (22 Oct 2015)

John Deasy: We said 19 November to deal with Aer Arann and the tender. Can we deal with it then?

Public Accounts Committee: Health Service Executive Financial Statements 2014
2014 Annual Report and Appropriation Accounts of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Vote 39: Health Service Executive
Chapter 19: Compliance with Prompt Payment Legislation in the Health Sector
Chapter 20: Management of Private Patient Income in the Health Sector
Chapter 21: Control over the Supply of High-Tech Drugs and Medicines
(22 Oct 2015)

John Deasy: I welcome Mr. O'Brien and the other witnesses. I had not intended to raise this but I will. It relates to what Deputy Sean Fleming asked Mr. O'Brien with regard to the conference in Spain. One can ask questions about the guidelines and the policies around them without impugning anybody's integrity. It is fair to ask whether it is wise for the head of the HSE, which has a budget of...

Public Accounts Committee: Health Service Executive Financial Statements 2014
2014 Annual Report and Appropriation Accounts of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Vote 39: Health Service Executive
Chapter 19: Compliance with Prompt Payment Legislation in the Health Sector
Chapter 20: Management of Private Patient Income in the Health Sector
Chapter 21: Control over the Supply of High-Tech Drugs and Medicines
(22 Oct 2015)

John Deasy: That is fine.

Public Accounts Committee: Health Service Executive Financial Statements 2014
2014 Annual Report and Appropriation Accounts of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Vote 39: Health Service Executive
Chapter 19: Compliance with Prompt Payment Legislation in the Health Sector
Chapter 20: Management of Private Patient Income in the Health Sector
Chapter 21: Control over the Supply of High-Tech Drugs and Medicines
(22 Oct 2015)

John Deasy: It paid Mr. O'Brien a fee which he gave to charity. Is that correct?

Public Accounts Committee: Health Service Executive Financial Statements 2014
2014 Annual Report and Appropriation Accounts of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Vote 39: Health Service Executive
Chapter 19: Compliance with Prompt Payment Legislation in the Health Sector
Chapter 20: Management of Private Patient Income in the Health Sector
Chapter 21: Control over the Supply of High-Tech Drugs and Medicines
(22 Oct 2015)

John Deasy: There was, therefore, a benefit.

Public Accounts Committee: Health Service Executive Financial Statements 2014
2014 Annual Report and Appropriation Accounts of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Vote 39: Health Service Executive
Chapter 19: Compliance with Prompt Payment Legislation in the Health Sector
Chapter 20: Management of Private Patient Income in the Health Sector
Chapter 21: Control over the Supply of High-Tech Drugs and Medicines
(22 Oct 2015)

John Deasy: Okay, but there was a benefit.

Public Accounts Committee: Health Service Executive Financial Statements 2014
2014 Annual Report and Appropriation Accounts of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Vote 39: Health Service Executive
Chapter 19: Compliance with Prompt Payment Legislation in the Health Sector
Chapter 20: Management of Private Patient Income in the Health Sector
Chapter 21: Control over the Supply of High-Tech Drugs and Medicines
(22 Oct 2015)

John Deasy: I am parking that and moving to the policy issue. Mr. O'Brien should proceed.

Public Accounts Committee: Health Service Executive Financial Statements 2014
2014 Annual Report and Appropriation Accounts of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Vote 39: Health Service Executive
Chapter 19: Compliance with Prompt Payment Legislation in the Health Sector
Chapter 20: Management of Private Patient Income in the Health Sector
Chapter 21: Control over the Supply of High-Tech Drugs and Medicines
(22 Oct 2015)

John Deasy: I am parking that issue too. I wish to get to the root of the issue. Is it wise for the head of the Health Service Executive or any other HSE employee to accept a fee, even if it goes to charity, and expenses for attending a conference? We must bear a very important thing in mind, namely, that the HSE deals with these companies which supply services to it. This is, therefore, a pretty...

Public Accounts Committee: Health Service Executive Financial Statements 2014
2014 Annual Report and Appropriation Accounts of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Vote 39: Health Service Executive
Chapter 19: Compliance with Prompt Payment Legislation in the Health Sector
Chapter 20: Management of Private Patient Income in the Health Sector
Chapter 21: Control over the Supply of High-Tech Drugs and Medicines
(22 Oct 2015)

John Deasy: I do not need to ask the Comptroller and Auditor General that question. I would be amazed if the Secretary General of the Department of Health would allow a private company to pay his expenses for a conference abroad. What makes Mr. O'Brien different? I am not sure what the answer is to that question. It is reasonable to question the wisdom of any HSE employee at this point accepting such...

Public Accounts Committee: Health Service Executive Financial Statements 2014
2014 Annual Report and Appropriation Accounts of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Vote 39: Health Service Executive
Chapter 19: Compliance with Prompt Payment Legislation in the Health Sector
Chapter 20: Management of Private Patient Income in the Health Sector
Chapter 21: Control over the Supply of High-Tech Drugs and Medicines
(22 Oct 2015)

John Deasy: That is fair enough.

Public Accounts Committee: Health Service Executive Financial Statements 2014
2014 Annual Report and Appropriation Accounts of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Vote 39: Health Service Executive
Chapter 19: Compliance with Prompt Payment Legislation in the Health Sector
Chapter 20: Management of Private Patient Income in the Health Sector
Chapter 21: Control over the Supply of High-Tech Drugs and Medicines
(22 Oct 2015)

John Deasy: That is fair enough. Mr. O'Brien has said that, which is fine.

Public Accounts Committee: Health Service Executive Financial Statements 2014
2014 Annual Report and Appropriation Accounts of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Vote 39: Health Service Executive
Chapter 19: Compliance with Prompt Payment Legislation in the Health Sector
Chapter 20: Management of Private Patient Income in the Health Sector
Chapter 21: Control over the Supply of High-Tech Drugs and Medicines
(22 Oct 2015)

John Deasy: I understand that. I will give Mr. O'Brien my opinion. If he goes down that road, that is fine, and he stated that safeguards are in place and went through the process and so forth. Individuals - I am not referring to Mr. O'Brien personally - open themselves up to compromise, however, in accepting such from a private company that operates and deals directly with the HSE and Irish...

Public Accounts Committee: Health Service Executive Financial Statements 2014
2014 Annual Report and Appropriation Accounts of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Vote 39: Health Service Executive
Chapter 19: Compliance with Prompt Payment Legislation in the Health Sector
Chapter 20: Management of Private Patient Income in the Health Sector
Chapter 21: Control over the Supply of High-Tech Drugs and Medicines
(22 Oct 2015)

John Deasy: The Department is examining this matter and may provide observations on the document the HSE has produced on the proposals.

Public Accounts Committee: Health Service Executive Financial Statements 2014
2014 Annual Report and Appropriation Accounts of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Vote 39: Health Service Executive
Chapter 19: Compliance with Prompt Payment Legislation in the Health Sector
Chapter 20: Management of Private Patient Income in the Health Sector
Chapter 21: Control over the Supply of High-Tech Drugs and Medicines
(22 Oct 2015)

John Deasy: We met Mr. Breslin two weeks ago. He has already followed up on this issue, on which work has been ongoing since our meeting. The Minister of State at the Department of Health, Deputy Kathleen Lynch, began this work in earnest in June. The process is that the Department will now review the HSE's proposals, make observations and the HSE will make a final decision with regard to the...

Public Accounts Committee: Health Service Executive Financial Statements 2014
2014 Annual Report and Appropriation Accounts of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Vote 39: Health Service Executive
Chapter 19: Compliance with Prompt Payment Legislation in the Health Sector
Chapter 20: Management of Private Patient Income in the Health Sector
Chapter 21: Control over the Supply of High-Tech Drugs and Medicines
(22 Oct 2015)

John Deasy: There are three strands to this issue. The first is the public policy stand. The main reason the committee took on this issue was to weed out any potential conflicts of interest when it came to very serious cases and incidents, particularly regarding the care of children. The committee has been dealing with specific incidents or circumstances for the past year. That is the public policy...

Public Accounts Committee: Health Service Executive Financial Statements 2014
2014 Annual Report and Appropriation Accounts of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Vote 39: Health Service Executive
Chapter 19: Compliance with Prompt Payment Legislation in the Health Sector
Chapter 20: Management of Private Patient Income in the Health Sector
Chapter 21: Control over the Supply of High-Tech Drugs and Medicines
(22 Oct 2015)

John Deasy: From what Mr. O'Brien said, and there are two parts to it, An Garda Síochána is making it clear that its investigation has not been completed but at the same time, this individual is actually going to get parts of this report and its recommendations. Is there a contradiction there?

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