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Joint Oireachtas Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: Defective Concrete Blocks: Discussion (Resumed) (14 May 2024)

Rose Conway-Walsh: If there are two houses, they are tested visually or whatever, and one meets the threshold because the cracks are wider while the other one does not, what happens in that case?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: Defective Concrete Blocks: Discussion (Resumed) (14 May 2024)

Rose Conway-Walsh: Even though it is a semi-detached house, so Mr. Espey is stopping the one that does pass. Come on. We really need some common sense. The homeowners have provided the common sense. That needs to be looked at. Why are we putting the cart before the horse here in recommending remedial options 2 to 5 when none of those options is based on any specific science research? Mayo homeowners...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: Defective Concrete Blocks: Discussion (Resumed) (14 May 2024)

Rose Conway-Walsh: That is right. Will it always be an option 1 for Mayo and its pyrite?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: Defective Concrete Blocks: Discussion (Resumed) (14 May 2024)

Rose Conway-Walsh: Where there is a discrepancy between the engineers, the engineer from the Housing Agency supersedes the other one. If a test has been done, say under the old scheme, and the chartered engineer submits that, the Housing Agency can overrule them. Is that how it is?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: Defective Concrete Blocks: Discussion (Resumed) (14 May 2024)

Rose Conway-Walsh: I have another point but I will come in again. Thank you.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: Defective Concrete Blocks: Discussion (Resumed) (14 May 2024)

Rose Conway-Walsh: That point is crucial. It is one of the points that the homeowners in County Mayo have been making. Obviously, what they are asking for is a 20% payment upfront. We have discussed this before and with the Department. The bottom line for this scheme is that it needs to be affordable for everybody. It should be ensured that people are not locked out of the scheme because they cannot afford...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: Defective Concrete Blocks: Discussion (Resumed) (14 May 2024)

Rose Conway-Walsh: The council has departmental approval for that at this point in terms of what it is trying to do.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: Defective Concrete Blocks: Discussion (Resumed) (14 May 2024)

Rose Conway-Walsh: Okay, but that is all within the context of the €420,000.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: Defective Concrete Blocks: Discussion (Resumed) (14 May 2024)

Rose Conway-Walsh: It is not in addition to it, because these are the parameters of the scheme. That is fine. Turning to the number of co-ordinators in County Mayo, was it stated that there are two co-ordinators in place?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: Defective Concrete Blocks: Discussion (Resumed) (14 May 2024)

Rose Conway-Walsh: This needs to be done urgently. I commend Ms Gleeson for all the work she has done. Single-handedly, she has done her very best to help every impacted homeowner in County Mayo. I commend her for this. We cannot, though, get away from the fact that we are working to standards that are not fit for purpose, which is an aspect of deep concern for me and for all the homeowners too. I do not...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: Defective Concrete Blocks: Discussion (Resumed) (14 May 2024)

Rose Conway-Walsh: I have documentation dating back to 2003 and 2005, when concerns about pyrrhotite were raised. What I am really trying to get my head around is why it was decided in IS 465 that pyrite was in County Mayo and mica was in County Donegal. Who is Ms Larkin handing over to?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: Defective Concrete Blocks: Discussion (Resumed) (14 May 2024)

Rose Conway-Walsh: Why did IS 465 not ask for the testing of pyrrhotite? Why was there a test for mica and pyrite?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: Defective Concrete Blocks: Discussion (Resumed) (14 May 2024)

Rose Conway-Walsh: It was as far back as 2002.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: Defective Concrete Blocks: Discussion (Resumed) (14 May 2024)

Rose Conway-Walsh: It was 2022. In terms of the European standards, and their transposition, was pyrrhotite referred to in them?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: Defective Concrete Blocks: Discussion (Resumed) (14 May 2024)

Rose Conway-Walsh: So it was? We were aware of it at that time.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: Defective Concrete Blocks: Discussion (Resumed) (14 May 2024)

Rose Conway-Walsh: Why was it not included then? Who decided that it would not be included?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: Defective Concrete Blocks: Discussion (Resumed) (14 May 2024)

Rose Conway-Walsh: I am sorry. Who decided that it was not identified?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: Defective Concrete Blocks: Discussion (Resumed) (14 May 2024)

Rose Conway-Walsh: Who undertook that testing?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: Defective Concrete Blocks: Discussion (Resumed) (14 May 2024)

Rose Conway-Walsh: I am sorry. I am just confused in this regard. I will tell Dr. Murphy why. In 2002, EN 12620 had a special precaution for pyrrhotite, an unstable iron sulphide mineral. If the mineral is known to be present, then a maximum sulphur content of 0.1% shall apply. I wonder why this was not a red flag in terms of who made the decision around just testing for pyrite.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: Defective Concrete Blocks: Discussion (Resumed) (14 May 2024)

Rose Conway-Walsh: Yes.

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