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Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (Resumed) (14 Feb 2024)

Brendan Griffin: I have looked through them too. I got the 8% figure and a 19% figure. I believe the 19% figure.

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (Resumed) (14 Feb 2024)

Brendan Griffin: You can massage it whatever way you want.

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (Resumed) (14 Feb 2024)

Brendan Griffin: I am going off the figures I have. I think it is incredible that you made this decision. Was this decision run by the board, given how much was at stake?

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (Resumed) (14 Feb 2024)

Brendan Griffin: And the board agreed this?

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (Resumed) (14 Feb 2024)

Brendan Griffin: When you were before the committee in September and licence fees came up, why was it not communicated to us here that you had decided to pull advertising?

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (Resumed) (14 Feb 2024)

Brendan Griffin: We keep getting answers of the witnesses not being asked about it.

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (Resumed) (14 Feb 2024)

Brendan Griffin: The attitude is that the witnesses from RTÉ are not being asked about it and therefore they will not tell.

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (Resumed) (14 Feb 2024)

Brendan Griffin: I think it is relevant to the conversation. One would have expected something that big to be communicated.

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (Resumed) (14 Feb 2024)

Brendan Griffin: We are talking €20 million of revenue that is at stake.

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (Resumed) (14 Feb 2024)

Brendan Griffin: You did not think of reminding people that it is not just the top brass at RTÉ who benefit but all of the workers and people across the sector, including in local broadcasting. You did not think that might be a more appropriate message to get public support on board.

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (Resumed) (14 Feb 2024)

Brendan Griffin: It was an extraordinary decision at a time when RTÉ's revenue was going down the drain. You decided to pull advertising.

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (Resumed) (14 Feb 2024)

Brendan Griffin: I think it was an incredible decision to make-----

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (Resumed) (14 Feb 2024)

Brendan Griffin: -----at a time when you are haemorrhaging public money.

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (Resumed) (14 Feb 2024)

Brendan Griffin: I do not think you did. I think you did not. In my view, you contributed to that by not sending the message that needed to be heard.

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (Resumed) (14 Feb 2024)

Brendan Griffin: No problems spending public money on all them other things, but this is-----

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (Resumed) (14 Feb 2024)

Brendan Griffin: Ms Cusack made a remarkable admission that she signed off on the letter that had been approved by the executive board in relation to the former chief financial officer. Has she signed off on other letters using wording "as approved by the executive board" where that approval does not or did not exist?

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (Resumed) (14 Feb 2024)

Brendan Griffin: Would all standard letters use "as approved by the executive board"?

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (Resumed) (14 Feb 2024)

Brendan Griffin: Okay. This particular one was not approved. Did Ms Cusack sign off on any others that were not approved?

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (Resumed) (14 Feb 2024)

Brendan Griffin: That was in the letter that you sent.

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (Resumed) (14 Feb 2024)

Brendan Griffin: I have one last question if I may. I wanted to get to the bogus self-employment issue and maybe my colleagues will. I have a question about this letter from Arthur Cox solicitors. Why were you asking RTÉ workers to take on Arthur Cox solicitors for what are effectively human resources issues in your own organisation? Do you think that is best practice? Do you think that is fair and...

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