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Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board (30 May 2024)

Alan Kelly: In reality, we have all proven that this is not the case. I have one question for Mr. Gunning. The figures he has given the committee are up to the end April. How many conciliatory decisions or opinions that the board is considering have there been since April? I just want the number. Is it one or up to five?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board (30 May 2024)

Alan Kelly: I direct this question to Mr. McKeith, Mr. Quinn or Dr. Curtis. I do not know who will answer it. One of the things that came up at the last committee meeting was that a new patient record system was going to have to be ready to go. Where are we with that? Is that substantially done? Obviously, that would affect the timelines as well.

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board (30 May 2024)

Alan Kelly: I ask Mr. Quinn to be brief.

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board (30 May 2024)

Alan Kelly: Is it substantially complete?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board (30 May 2024)

Alan Kelly: Will Mr. McKeith just give us a percentage?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board (30 May 2024)

Alan Kelly: With training and everything, I expect that but I want to know has the background work been done.

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board (30 May 2024)

Alan Kelly: My last question is for Mr. Gunning. It is two questions in one in the sense that they overlap. I am not saying this is the right thing to do but was a design freeze at a certain point to finish the hospital ever considered? Based on what Mr. Gunning said previously, I know the board wants to get the hospital to a standard that is best in its class, but was it ever considered? The second...

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board (30 May 2024)

Alan Kelly: What about the design freeze?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board (30 May 2024)

Alan Kelly: I know, but it is just added on here.

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board (30 May 2024)

Alan Kelly: I concur with Deputy Devlin. The next time we are here, if we are - Deputy Devlin probably knows more about that than the three of us, although I would say the lads here are looking for an election - CHI should be here along with the development board because there is an overlap now. Before the break I asked Mr. Gunning how many conciliation decisions there have been since the end of...

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board (30 May 2024)

Alan Kelly: It cannot be a huge number. Mr. Gunning should probably know this.

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board (30 May 2024)

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Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board (30 May 2024)

Alan Kelly: I do not understand why we cannot be told about these decisions. The board knows about them, as does the contractor. I presume Mr. Gunning has full confidence in the conciliator. Does he? For the record, Mr. Gunning is nodding. If the contractor knows, the development board knows and the conciliator knows, then why does the taxpayer or the Houses of the Oireachtas not know?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board (30 May 2024)

Alan Kelly: When will it be revealed to us and to the public?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board (30 May 2024)

Alan Kelly: Mr. Gunning has told us about others.

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board (30 May 2024)

Alan Kelly: We might some advice on this because there are huge sums of money involved. I suggest that we ask parliamentary legal counsel or others for advice as regards why we cannot get this information. If the contractor knows, the delivery board knows and the conciliator, in whom Mr. Gunning has full confidence, has made a determination, it seems a bit odd that we cannot get that information.

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board (30 May 2024)

Alan Kelly: The conciliator has made a decision.

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board (30 May 2024)

Alan Kelly: Has the conciliator made a decision?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board (30 May 2024)

Alan Kelly: According to Mr. Gunning's own table, the next step is to go to the High Court.

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board (30 May 2024)

Alan Kelly: If the conciliator has made a recommendation, that is the final recommendation.

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