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Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Irish Aviation Authority: Chairperson Designate (24 Nov 2021)

Timmy Dooley: If I may, it speaks to the way Ms Hynes does business, so I am asking her what-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Irish Aviation Authority: Chairperson Designate (24 Nov 2021)

Timmy Dooley: Did Ms Hynes call the Taoiseach? Will she confirm that she called the Taoiseach that day?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Irish Aviation Authority: Chairperson Designate (24 Nov 2021)

Timmy Dooley: Not at all. I am inferring nothing. This was a State board in respect of which the then Minister suggested to Ms Hynes he was happy with her service - no question over anything - but that he was not going to reappoint her. There is no entitlement to reappointment-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Irish Aviation Authority: Chairperson Designate (24 Nov 2021)

Timmy Dooley: -----and Ms Hynes knows that. However, Mr. Ross says in his book, and it is a matter of public record, that he received a call from the Taoiseach that pretty much asked him to reappoint her, and he confirms he did that. That is a public fact. I am asking Ms Hynes the motivation for contacting the Taoiseach on her behalf to remain as the chair of the board of Shannon.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Irish Aviation Authority: Chairperson Designate (24 Nov 2021)

Timmy Dooley: I am not going to badger her.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Irish Aviation Authority: Chairperson Designate (24 Nov 2021)

Timmy Dooley: Did Ms Hynes file a return with the Standards in Public Office Commission, SIPO, regarding lobbying? If somebody rings me or particularly a Minister, there is a stipulation under the legislation, with which Ms Hynes will be familiar, that this constitutes lobbying. In her return-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Irish Aviation Authority: Chairperson Designate (24 Nov 2021)

Timmy Dooley: It would have been natural to have a conversation with the line Minister. If Ms Hynes was contacting the Taoiseach and he acted on that call, in my humble opinion that would require Ms Hynes to set that out in her returns to SIPO. She knows that full well. I am just looking at an article where Shane Ross raised a freedom of information, FOI, request about Ms Hynes's recent appointment, a...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Irish Aviation Authority: Chairperson Designate (24 Nov 2021)

Timmy Dooley: I am not making allegations. I am quoting from the newspaper. In her email, Ms Hynes wrote, "I told him that this is not a matter for the IAA and we should not respond, and Ross should be told that this is a matter for the DEPT. Surely he has a conflict of interest being a former minister? Standards in public office??", so she understands lobbying.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Irish Aviation Authority: Chairperson Designate (24 Nov 2021)

Timmy Dooley: Is she confirming that she did not make a return relating to that-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Irish Aviation Authority: Chairperson Designate (24 Nov 2021)

Timmy Dooley: Then that is a matter of public record. I can-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Irish Aviation Authority: Chairperson Designate (24 Nov 2021)

Timmy Dooley: What was her position?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Irish Aviation Authority: Chairperson Designate (24 Nov 2021)

Timmy Dooley: There had been an interaction with the Minister for a couple of weeks prior to this and Ms Hynes asked him to reconsider his position.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Irish Aviation Authority: Chairperson Designate (24 Nov 2021)

Timmy Dooley: Ms Hynes said she would come to back to him and he came back to her and confirmed he was not of a mind to reappoint her. It was not personal. He was thanking other chairpersons who had reached the end of their cycle or term and opening up the process to appoint new people. This is no reflection on Ms Hynes or any of the others. However, the Minister got a call from the Taoiseach minutes...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Irish Aviation Authority: Chairperson Designate (24 Nov 2021)

Timmy Dooley: That is okay. We will move on.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Irish Aviation Authority: Chairperson Designate (24 Nov 2021)

Timmy Dooley: The reality is Ms Hynes did not see that as lobbying and, therefore, she did not make a return.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Irish Aviation Authority: Chairperson Designate (24 Nov 2021)

Timmy Dooley: Ms Hynes is not yet the chairperson. The purpose of confirming a designate is to discuss his or her modus operandiwith him or her.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Irish Aviation Authority: Chairperson Designate (24 Nov 2021)

Timmy Dooley: That is correct, subject to a conversation here.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Irish Aviation Authority: Chairperson Designate (24 Nov 2021)

Timmy Dooley: So that happens. Ms Hynes got the extended year. In the intervening period, there was an election and we all know where that went. I went out one door, somebody came in another, Ms Hynes was still in situand there was a new Minister. Within a very short number of days of the Minister being appointed, Ms Hynes made contact with him and again offered her services.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Irish Aviation Authority: Chairperson Designate (24 Nov 2021)

Timmy Dooley: Ms Hynes never contacted him.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Irish Aviation Authority: Chairperson Designate (24 Nov 2021)

Timmy Dooley: There was no contact. The Minister and Ms Hynes had no conversation.

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