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Public Accounts Committee: State Claims, Management of Legal Costs and Policy on Open Disclosure
Implications of CervicalCheck Revelations
2016 Financial Statements of the State Claims Agency
2016 Financial Statements of the HSE (10 May 2018)

Alan Kelly: Grand. That is fair. We will get the letter and we will go through it. I would like to ask a quick question about the issue referred to by Deputy Burke. As colleagues will know, I have discussed this matter with Mr. O'Brien at two committees - this committee and the health committee. I have gone through it in the finance committee with the State Claims Agency and there have been debates...

Public Accounts Committee: State Claims, Management of Legal Costs and Policy on Open Disclosure
Implications of CervicalCheck Revelations
2016 Financial Statements of the State Claims Agency
2016 Financial Statements of the HSE (10 May 2018)

Alan Kelly: But there were efforts.

Public Accounts Committee: State Claims, Management of Legal Costs and Policy on Open Disclosure
Implications of CervicalCheck Revelations
2016 Financial Statements of the State Claims Agency
2016 Financial Statements of the HSE (10 May 2018)

Alan Kelly: Surely some efforts were made.

Public Accounts Committee: State Claims, Management of Legal Costs and Policy on Open Disclosure
Implications of CervicalCheck Revelations
2016 Financial Statements of the State Claims Agency
2016 Financial Statements of the HSE (10 May 2018)

Alan Kelly: Is it not true that from a public confidence point of view, we have to confirm that other screening programmes are not in a similar position?

Public Accounts Committee: State Claims, Management of Legal Costs and Policy on Open Disclosure
Implications of CervicalCheck Revelations
2016 Financial Statements of the State Claims Agency
2016 Financial Statements of the HSE (10 May 2018)

Alan Kelly: That is 100% true. There is a reason there was an anomaly here.

Public Accounts Committee: State Claims, Management of Legal Costs and Policy on Open Disclosure
Implications of CervicalCheck Revelations
2016 Financial Statements of the State Claims Agency
2016 Financial Statements of the HSE (10 May 2018)

Alan Kelly: Mr. O'Brien's assistant said at the health committee yesterday that there is a process going on at the moment. He said that they expect to conclude the data reconciliation process over the coming days.

Public Accounts Committee: State Claims, Management of Legal Costs and Policy on Open Disclosure
Implications of CervicalCheck Revelations
2016 Financial Statements of the State Claims Agency
2016 Financial Statements of the HSE (10 May 2018)

Alan Kelly: It is quite obvious that it is a priority for them in the current situation rather than down the road.

Public Accounts Committee: State Claims, Management of Legal Costs and Policy on Open Disclosure
Implications of CervicalCheck Revelations
2016 Financial Statements of the State Claims Agency
2016 Financial Statements of the HSE (10 May 2018)

Alan Kelly: They need to have it done immediately.

Public Accounts Committee: State Claims, Management of Legal Costs and Policy on Open Disclosure
Implications of CervicalCheck Revelations
2016 Financial Statements of the State Claims Agency
2016 Financial Statements of the HSE (10 May 2018)

Alan Kelly: We need accountability as to why that happened.

Public Accounts Committee: State Claims, Management of Legal Costs and Policy on Open Disclosure
Implications of CervicalCheck Revelations
2016 Financial Statements of the State Claims Agency
2016 Financial Statements of the HSE (10 May 2018)

Alan Kelly: I accept that.

Public Accounts Committee: State Claims, Management of Legal Costs and Policy on Open Disclosure
Implications of CervicalCheck Revelations
2016 Financial Statements of the State Claims Agency
2016 Financial Statements of the HSE (10 May 2018)

Alan Kelly: I have a final question for Mr. Breen. I am asking it now because I will not get another chance. The State Claims Agency was told by CervicalCheck that all the women had been communicated with. Is that not right?

Public Accounts Committee: State Claims, Management of Legal Costs and Policy on Open Disclosure
Implications of CervicalCheck Revelations
2016 Financial Statements of the State Claims Agency
2016 Financial Statements of the HSE (10 May 2018)

Alan Kelly: Did the agency receive that in writing or orally?

Public Accounts Committee: State Claims, Management of Legal Costs and Policy on Open Disclosure
Implications of CervicalCheck Revelations
2016 Financial Statements of the State Claims Agency
2016 Financial Statements of the HSE (10 May 2018)

Alan Kelly: I have noted Vicky Phelan actually saying this - asking this question. It is the reason I am asking it, actually. She brought it to my attention. The agency did not receive it in writing. It received it orally. From whom did the agency receive it orally?

Public Accounts Committee: State Claims, Management of Legal Costs and Policy on Open Disclosure
Implications of CervicalCheck Revelations
2016 Financial Statements of the State Claims Agency
2016 Financial Statements of the HSE (10 May 2018)

Alan Kelly: Was it from senior people in CervicalCheck?

Public Accounts Committee: State Claims, Management of Legal Costs and Policy on Open Disclosure
Implications of CervicalCheck Revelations
2016 Financial Statements of the State Claims Agency
2016 Financial Statements of the HSE (10 May 2018)

Alan Kelly: They said that everyone had been communicated to.

Public Accounts Committee: State Claims, Management of Legal Costs and Policy on Open Disclosure
Implications of CervicalCheck Revelations
2016 Financial Statements of the State Claims Agency
2016 Financial Statements of the HSE (10 May 2018)

Alan Kelly: Would it be possible for Mr. Breen to come back to this committee to confirm the approximate time and date on which this happened-----

Public Accounts Committee: State Claims, Management of Legal Costs and Policy on Open Disclosure
Implications of CervicalCheck Revelations
2016 Financial Statements of the State Claims Agency
2016 Financial Statements of the HSE (10 May 2018)

Alan Kelly: -----and from whom the agency received this assurance? Obviously, it would be very useful to Vicky Phelan to know that. It would also be potentially useful to other women as well. Mr. Breen might come back with that detail.

Public Accounts Committee: State Claims, Management of Legal Costs and Policy on Open Disclosure
Implications of CervicalCheck Revelations
2016 Financial Statements of the State Claims Agency
2016 Financial Statements of the HSE (10 May 2018)

Alan Kelly: Okay.

Public Accounts Committee: State Claims, Management of Legal Costs and Policy on Open Disclosure
Implications of CervicalCheck Revelations
2016 Financial Statements of the State Claims Agency
2016 Financial Statements of the HSE (10 May 2018)

Alan Kelly: Mr. Breen might do what I have asked so that we can join the dots and make sure everything is checked.

Public Accounts Committee: State Claims, Management of Legal Costs and Policy on Open Disclosure
Implications of CervicalCheck Revelations
2016 Financial Statements of the State Claims Agency
2016 Financial Statements of the HSE (10 May 2018)

Alan Kelly: We are not going there. As we have some extra time, there are approximately 30 minutes left. I will limit everyone to two quick questions. That is the way. We will do a full round when the two lads have left.