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Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 32 - Enterprise, Trade and Employment
Chapter 6 - Covid-19 Restart Grant Schemes
(18 Nov 2021)

Catherine Murphy: I wish to move on to the Workplace Relations Commission, WRC, work programme. What kind of impact did the pandemic have on the Workplace Relations Commission, the Labour Court and the like in terms of backlogs? Are there backlogs? How are those backlogs being handled?

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 32 - Enterprise, Trade and Employment
Chapter 6 - Covid-19 Restart Grant Schemes
(18 Nov 2021)

Catherine Murphy: There is a plan to deal with the backlog.

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 32 - Enterprise, Trade and Employment
Chapter 6 - Covid-19 Restart Grant Schemes
(18 Nov 2021)

Catherine Murphy: To follow on from some of the points made by other speakers, I refer to local enterprise offices, LEOs. I understand local authorities had the information in terms of who the rate payers were and how the scheme was structured. I, too, got a lot of compliments from people who said it was the difference between staying afloat and going under. I understand there was speed associated with...

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 32 - Enterprise, Trade and Employment
Chapter 6 - Covid-19 Restart Grant Schemes
(18 Nov 2021)

Catherine Murphy: Has the Department evaluated the cost of creating jobs at various levels, including IDA Ireland, Enterprise Ireland, and at the microenterprise level?

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 32 - Enterprise, Trade and Employment
Chapter 6 - Covid-19 Restart Grant Schemes
(18 Nov 2021)

Catherine Murphy: Dr. Quinn made a point earlier about Microfinance Ireland. What is the failure rate?

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 32 - Enterprise, Trade and Employment
Chapter 6 - Covid-19 Restart Grant Schemes
(18 Nov 2021)

Catherine Murphy: There is a 77% success rate.

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 32 - Enterprise, Trade and Employment
Chapter 6 - Covid-19 Restart Grant Schemes
(18 Nov 2021)

Catherine Murphy: Will Dr. Quinn give us a note on the regional job breakdown? I think she has already said it to others. Will she drill that down as far as she can? That would be much appreciated.

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 32 - Enterprise, Trade and Employment
Chapter 6 - Covid-19 Restart Grant Schemes
(18 Nov 2021)

Catherine Murphy: Do you have a problem hearing us?

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 32 - Enterprise, Trade and Employment
Chapter 6 - Covid-19 Restart Grant Schemes
(18 Nov 2021)

Catherine Murphy: We have been trying to interrupt you.

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 32 - Enterprise, Trade and Employment
Chapter 6 - Covid-19 Restart Grant Schemes
(18 Nov 2021)

Catherine Murphy: Can we have a short reply to that please?

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 32 - Enterprise, Trade and Employment
Chapter 6 - Covid-19 Restart Grant Schemes
(18 Nov 2021)

Catherine Murphy: The next speaker is Deputy Colm Burke. Is he on the call? There is nobody indicating yet so I will ask a few further questions. To pick up on the point about permits and the critical skills, and this question is for Dr. Quinn, has the critical skills list been updated or is it being updated? I understand it dates back to approximately 2006, and things will have changed. I could be wrong...

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 32 - Enterprise, Trade and Employment
Chapter 6 - Covid-19 Restart Grant Schemes
(18 Nov 2021)

Catherine Murphy: There are people, for example, nurses, who are qualified in their own jurisdiction but their qualification is not recognised here. Often they are recruited as care assistants in nursing homes and the like. My feedback is that the experience one gets is of a very high level of skill. However, they are not included. Is there any consideration of that type of thing, where there is no...

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 32 - Enterprise, Trade and Employment
Chapter 6 - Covid-19 Restart Grant Schemes
(18 Nov 2021)

Catherine Murphy: I am not suggesting that they be recruited as nurses, but the question was asked of me with regard to a shortage of the semi-skilled, as opposed to the recognised skill. With regard to the staff in the Department, it is broken down in 2020 to 508, which was up from 475. That may well have been to do with vacancies. The offices are the Office of the Director of Corporate Enforcement, the...

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 32 - Enterprise, Trade and Employment
Chapter 6 - Covid-19 Restart Grant Schemes
(18 Nov 2021)

Catherine Murphy: The information about sick leave driving down illness rates is very useful. It is one of the reasons the hybrid model may well be a positive we need to take from the pandemic, rather than just dwelling on the negatives of it. It is good to hear about the maternity cover because we hear from people who say that they are coming back to work but their desk has a pile of stuff on it. It is all...

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 32 - Enterprise, Trade and Employment
Chapter 6 - Covid-19 Restart Grant Schemes
(18 Nov 2021)

Catherine Murphy: There just needs to be proper planning and I would like to see that right across the public service. In her opening statement, Dr. Quinn referred to the contingent liability on the outstanding loans totalling €113 million. If we go back to the year before 2019, the maximum exposure was €5 million at the end of 2019 with outstanding loans of €30 million. How has that...

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 32 - Enterprise, Trade and Employment
Chapter 6 - Covid-19 Restart Grant Schemes
(18 Nov 2021)

Catherine Murphy: Okay.

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 32 - Enterprise, Trade and Employment
Chapter 6 - Covid-19 Restart Grant Schemes
(18 Nov 2021)

Catherine Murphy: Okay. That is fine. We will watch for the Comptroller and Auditor General's report next year. We will get the update then.

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 32 - Enterprise, Trade and Employment
Chapter 6 - Covid-19 Restart Grant Schemes
(18 Nov 2021)

Catherine Murphy: If no one else wants to come in at this stage, I call Deputy Verona Murphy.

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 32 - Enterprise, Trade and Employment
Chapter 6 - Covid-19 Restart Grant Schemes
(18 Nov 2021)

Catherine Murphy: I call Deputy Colm Burke, who has returned from speaking in the Dáil.

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 32 - Enterprise, Trade and Employment
Chapter 6 - Covid-19 Restart Grant Schemes
(18 Nov 2021)

Catherine Murphy: That is everyone who wants to speak. We will be finishing slightly early. I thank our witnesses for joining us today and the staff at the Department for their work involved in preparing for the meeting. I also thank the Comptroller and Auditor General and his staff for attending and assisting the committee today. Is it agreed to request the clerk to seek any follow-up information and...

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