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Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (13 Oct 2022)

Brian Stanley: The secretariat will seek specific information on what will happen when the arrangement runs out at the end of the year. Do members wish to raise any other matter on the financial statements and accounts?

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (13 Oct 2022)

Brian Stanley: The ETBs have advised us in the past that there is a problem, particularly for smaller ones, in that they may not have dedicated staff to deal solely with procurement, just because of scale. That tends to be a problem.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (13 Oct 2022)

Brian Stanley: Okay. We will note the listing of financial statements. Is that agreed? Agreed. As usual, the listing of accounts and financial statements will be published as part of the minutes. We will move on to correspondence. As previously agreed, items that were not flagged for discussion for this meeting will continue to be dealt with in accordance with the proposed actions that have been...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (13 Oct 2022)

Brian Stanley: From previous discussions around this, we recognise the fact that the lease agreement is there. It is a legal agreement. It is very hard to change leases or legal agreements when they are in place. People are dependent, to a certain degree, on negotiations and goodwill. It is an improvement on the way things were but it does not go the whole way.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (13 Oct 2022)

Brian Stanley: We can ask the OPW that. It is an issue we have teased out with it at previous meetings and the previous committee would have dealt with it as well. We have raised this. The Deputy is correct that any improvement is welcome. What is important to ask now is what steps have been taken at this point. We have addressed with the OPW previously the need to put measures in place to make sure...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (13 Oct 2022)

Brian Stanley: When it finally found-----

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (13 Oct 2022)

Brian Stanley: We could put that in the letter as well. The OPW is due to come before us in the very near future. If the Deputy wants, he can hold onto that issue until that day and ask-----

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (13 Oct 2022)

Brian Stanley: Let us ask the OPW what steps it has taken with regard to both of those matters. We will ask about the delay with Glanmire Garda station the Deputy referred to in which the closing of the sale was delayed by the Office of Public Works. We will ask about the reasons for this and what steps are being taken to avoid that sort of situation arising again. We will also ask about the quantity...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (13 Oct 2022)

Brian Stanley: Is the committee agreeable to that? Okay. The next item of correspondence is from Mr. Kevin McCarthy, Secretary General of the Department of Children, Equality, Disability, Integration and Youth. It is dated 27 September 2022 and provides information requested by the committee regarding international protection accommodation. Members might recall that certain functions transferred from...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (13 Oct 2022)

Brian Stanley: Does the Deputy propose that we do that by way of correspondence or that we wait until the Department comes before us?

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (13 Oct 2022)

Brian Stanley: That is obviously because of the accommodation crisis outside.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (13 Oct 2022)

Brian Stanley: That is what is happening.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (13 Oct 2022)

Brian Stanley: Do any other members wish to come in on that?

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (13 Oct 2022)

Brian Stanley: If the Deputy could hold on a second, I ask that he puts up his hand signal when he wishes to come in.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (13 Oct 2022)

Brian Stanley: I agree with the Deputy. We have had a few discussions on this. It is on the work programme for two weeks from today. We will actually have that Department in. The very reason we are bringing it in is because of the issues the Deputy has raised including the volume of work being done with the Department and the number of people in emergency accommodation, including people from Ukraine and...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (13 Oct 2022)

Brian Stanley: Deputy Catherine Murphy had a specific proposal.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (13 Oct 2022)

Brian Stanley: We will ask the secretariat to include in the invite we send that we wish to discuss the entities that are providing accommodation and those providing services to people within that accommodation. I thank Deputy Catherine Murphy for that. That is agreed so we will move on to category C, correspondence from private individuals and any other correspondence. There is only one item, No....

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (13 Oct 2022)

Brian Stanley: We should and the Deputy is correct. I hope that where €5.7 billion goes to 2,500 organisations that the part of the HSE which deals with this requests audited accounts every year before divvying out money for the coming year.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (13 Oct 2022)

Brian Stanley: That is important and we can request that. The Comptroller and Auditor General audits a small number of section 38 organisations.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (13 Oct 2022)

Brian Stanley: Yes.

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