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Public Accounts Committee: State Claims, Management of Legal Costs and Policy on Open Disclosure
Implications of CervicalCheck Revelations
2016 Financial Statements of the State Claims Agency
2016 Financial Statements of the HSE
(10 May 2018)

Alan Kelly: I thank Mr. McCallion. We will have another round of questions but I have a couple of quick questions myself. Mr. O'Brien mentioned a letter dated March or April 2016-----

Public Accounts Committee: State Claims, Management of Legal Costs and Policy on Open Disclosure
Implications of CervicalCheck Revelations
2016 Financial Statements of the State Claims Agency
2016 Financial Statements of the HSE
(10 May 2018)

Alan Kelly: The memo came from the director of well-being. Mr. O'Brien has said that the person was the director of well-being. Is the person still the director of well-being?

Public Accounts Committee: State Claims, Management of Legal Costs and Policy on Open Disclosure
Implications of CervicalCheck Revelations
2016 Financial Statements of the State Claims Agency
2016 Financial Statements of the HSE
(10 May 2018)

Alan Kelly: I thank Mr. O'Brien for his clarification. Can he ask his colleagues seated behind to supply the committee a copy of the letter for our perusal? Mr. O'Brien may be gone by the time we get it. Can he ask his colleagues to supply a copy because it would help formulate some of our questions later on?

Public Accounts Committee: State Claims, Management of Legal Costs and Policy on Open Disclosure
Implications of CervicalCheck Revelations
2016 Financial Statements of the State Claims Agency
2016 Financial Statements of the HSE
(10 May 2018)

Alan Kelly: I suggest that Mr. O'Brien turns around and gives his colleagues permission to supply us with the letter.

Public Accounts Committee: State Claims, Management of Legal Costs and Policy on Open Disclosure
Implications of CervicalCheck Revelations
2016 Financial Statements of the State Claims Agency
2016 Financial Statements of the HSE
(10 May 2018)

Alan Kelly: That would be helpful and I am sure all of my colleagues would appreciate that.

Public Accounts Committee: State Claims, Management of Legal Costs and Policy on Open Disclosure
Implications of CervicalCheck Revelations
2016 Financial Statements of the State Claims Agency
2016 Financial Statements of the HSE
(10 May 2018)

Alan Kelly: In terms of the letter dated March or April - I do not hold Mr. O'Brien to the exact date - obviously he was made aware, as he said, that an audit had been conducted and there was a communication process in place. I do not want to misquote him but, broadly speaking, there was nothing to be alarmed about. Is that correct?

Public Accounts Committee: State Claims, Management of Legal Costs and Policy on Open Disclosure
Implications of CervicalCheck Revelations
2016 Financial Statements of the State Claims Agency
2016 Financial Statements of the HSE
(10 May 2018)

Alan Kelly: Did the memo refer to anything else?

Public Accounts Committee: State Claims, Management of Legal Costs and Policy on Open Disclosure
Implications of CervicalCheck Revelations
2016 Financial Statements of the State Claims Agency
2016 Financial Statements of the HSE
(10 May 2018)

Alan Kelly: Did the memo refer to the volume of women involved, that is, the 209 women?

Public Accounts Committee: State Claims, Management of Legal Costs and Policy on Open Disclosure
Implications of CervicalCheck Revelations
2016 Financial Statements of the State Claims Agency
2016 Financial Statements of the HSE
(10 May 2018)

Alan Kelly: Of course.

Public Accounts Committee: State Claims, Management of Legal Costs and Policy on Open Disclosure
Implications of CervicalCheck Revelations
2016 Financial Statements of the State Claims Agency
2016 Financial Statements of the HSE
(10 May 2018)

Alan Kelly: The audit covered approximately 1,400 women, the memo may have referenced the number of 209 and Mr. O'Brien will check. Is that correct?

Public Accounts Committee: State Claims, Management of Legal Costs and Policy on Open Disclosure
Implications of CervicalCheck Revelations
2016 Financial Statements of the State Claims Agency
2016 Financial Statements of the HSE
(10 May 2018)

Alan Kelly: Mr. O'Brien has been fairly open about how he felt in light of reading the letter now versus back then. Does he feel the letter was appropriate, comprehensive enough and detailed enough for him to get a better judgment on what was going on?

Public Accounts Committee: State Claims, Management of Legal Costs and Policy on Open Disclosure
Implications of CervicalCheck Revelations
2016 Financial Statements of the State Claims Agency
2016 Financial Statements of the HSE
(10 May 2018)

Alan Kelly: Does Mr. O'Brien feel that anything else could have been added to the memo? Does he feel it was comprehensive enough? Does he feel he was misled in any way?

Public Accounts Committee: State Claims, Management of Legal Costs and Policy on Open Disclosure
Implications of CervicalCheck Revelations
2016 Financial Statements of the State Claims Agency
2016 Financial Statements of the HSE
(10 May 2018)

Alan Kelly: I appreciate that.

Public Accounts Committee: State Claims, Management of Legal Costs and Policy on Open Disclosure
Implications of CervicalCheck Revelations
2016 Financial Statements of the State Claims Agency
2016 Financial Statements of the HSE
(10 May 2018)

Alan Kelly: I understand and appreciate that. I want to refer to the detail in the memo that Mr. O'Brien received about this matter. I appreciate that he has broken down the figures and, given the scale of screening, that the figure would not be unusual in terms of international standards. Is that, effectively, what he said?

Public Accounts Committee: State Claims, Management of Legal Costs and Policy on Open Disclosure
Implications of CervicalCheck Revelations
2016 Financial Statements of the State Claims Agency
2016 Financial Statements of the HSE
(10 May 2018)

Alan Kelly: Was there anything in the memo that rang alarm bells in any way, shape or form?

Public Accounts Committee: State Claims, Management of Legal Costs and Policy on Open Disclosure
Implications of CervicalCheck Revelations
2016 Financial Statements of the State Claims Agency
2016 Financial Statements of the HSE
(10 May 2018)

Alan Kelly: Yes.

Public Accounts Committee: State Claims, Management of Legal Costs and Policy on Open Disclosure
Implications of CervicalCheck Revelations
2016 Financial Statements of the State Claims Agency
2016 Financial Statements of the HSE
(10 May 2018)

Alan Kelly: To be balanced, looking back on the memo, is it fair to say now that the biggest issue, as a result of this matter, was the fact that the memo stated there was a defined communications process in place for these women who were affected, that is, the 209 women? Obviously we now know that there was a huge and disgraceful failure in the way in which that was conducted. In the memo it said...

Public Accounts Committee: State Claims, Management of Legal Costs and Policy on Open Disclosure
Implications of CervicalCheck Revelations
2016 Financial Statements of the State Claims Agency
2016 Financial Statements of the HSE
(10 May 2018)

Alan Kelly: Is that fair enough?

Public Accounts Committee: State Claims, Management of Legal Costs and Policy on Open Disclosure
Implications of CervicalCheck Revelations
2016 Financial Statements of the State Claims Agency
2016 Financial Statements of the HSE
(10 May 2018)

Alan Kelly: We will see the letter in a few minutes. Did the planned communication detail how this was going to happen?

Public Accounts Committee: State Claims, Management of Legal Costs and Policy on Open Disclosure
Implications of CervicalCheck Revelations
2016 Financial Statements of the State Claims Agency
2016 Financial Statements of the HSE
(10 May 2018)

Alan Kelly: Okay. Fair enough.

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