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Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (20 Sep 2018)

Alan Kelly: We need to get legal advice before we do anything. That is the first thing. We have gotten legal advice for less. We obviously have to get that. In terms of the the work of this committee, the Chair has said that he has been asked to raise this. For the public watching, he might tell us who asked him to.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (20 Sep 2018)

Alan Kelly: When it comes to the priorities of the committee, given that we know that there is an internal audit function and an audit committee in place and that the actual Vote is underspent, one has to wonder why this is being brought forward now. What is the rush to do it now? Anyone who is watching these proceedings and who does not think there is some form of political capital to be gained, maybe...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (20 Sep 2018)

Alan Kelly: That was before it was raised in this forum.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (20 Sep 2018)

Alan Kelly: I put a formal request to the Chairman to get legal advice. I would like a ruling on that. I think it would be prudent to get legal advice before we proceed. I think we should get the Office of the Parliamentary Legal Adviser to give us legal advice. It would be irresponsible of us not to. If we go ahead as several members have said, why can we not do it once the presidential election...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (20 Sep 2018)

Alan Kelly: No.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (20 Sep 2018)

Alan Kelly: I disagree with that. I still request we get legal advice.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (20 Sep 2018)

Alan Kelly: No.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (20 Sep 2018)

Alan Kelly: I agree with Deputy Cullinane. What he is saying is sensible. I also sit on the Joint Committee on Health and this issue will come to that committee. There is a distinction here and I think we could be quite helpful to the Joint Committee on Health. There will not be that overlap, about which there were arguments previously, because that committee will get into the components of the...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (20 Sep 2018)

Alan Kelly: -----non-disclosure, the audit process and the overall screening programme. There are specific issues. I have spoken to Dr. Scally, a very impressive man who has done a huge report, a number of times and I have gone through the report and spoken with Vicky Phelan, Stephen Teap and Lorraine Walsh. There is a need for the Committee of Public Accounts to look at specific areas that Dr....

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (20 Sep 2018)

Alan Kelly: I think the clerks should have a chat.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (20 Sep 2018)

Alan Kelly: That is a great idea.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (20 Sep 2018)

Alan Kelly: There is three or four hours' work there.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (20 Sep 2018)

Alan Kelly: I thank Deputy Cullinane for raising this matter as I was about to raise it. I was not aware the Deputy had written in on it. The resignation of Dr. Graham Love from the Higher Education Authority raises serious concerns because of what he wrote regarding his decision. The HEA and the whole third level education cycle is like the gift that does not stop giving, by which I mean the issues...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (20 Sep 2018)

Alan Kelly: We have time in that case.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (20 Sep 2018)

Alan Kelly: We need to delve into all the issues raised by Deputy Cullinane. The committee has dealt with many issues relating to a number of third level institutions, including an issue with Cork Institute of Technology which has been ongoing for years. Some have not been resolved, including issues relating to whistleblowers, their treatment and the processes in place for dealing with them. I have...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (20 Sep 2018)

Alan Kelly: An agreed topic.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (20 Sep 2018)

Alan Kelly: Agreed.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (20 Sep 2018)

Alan Kelly: That is perfect.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (20 Sep 2018)

Alan Kelly: That would be a good day's work.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (20 Sep 2018)

Alan Kelly: I agree with the previous speaker. This is the bane of my life.

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