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Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform: Select Sub-Committee on Finance: Finance Bill 2014: Committee Stage (Resumed) (19 Nov 2014)

Ciarán Lynch: I will allow the Minister of State to finish his contribution.

Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform: Select Sub-Committee on Finance: Finance Bill 2014: Committee Stage (Resumed) (19 Nov 2014)

Ciarán Lynch: I wish to add my view. It is complicated. The amendments relate to where, when a relationship breaks down, how the pension fund is to be divided between the two parties.

Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform: Select Sub-Committee on Finance: Finance Bill 2014: Committee Stage (Resumed) (19 Nov 2014)

Ciarán Lynch: It is difficult to know whether it is beneficial for the people concerned to stay together in the pension fund or to break up. I think detailed notes would be very useful to the committee. My officials asked me to clarify and it is an important point. That is why speaking notes are technical in nature. It is not how the pension fund is divided but how the tax relating to the pension fund...

Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform: Select Sub-Committee on Finance: Finance Bill 2014: Committee Stage (Resumed) (19 Nov 2014)

Ciarán Lynch: That is most helpful. I thank the Minister of State.

Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform: Select Sub-Committee on Finance: Finance Bill 2014: Committee Stage (Resumed) (19 Nov 2014)

Ciarán Lynch: Amendment No. 19 is in the name of the Minister and amendments Nos. 19 to 42, inclusive, are related and may be discussed together by agreement.

Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform: Select Sub-Committee on Finance: Finance Bill 2014: Committee Stage (Resumed) (19 Nov 2014)

Ciarán Lynch: Thank you Deputy.

Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform: Select Sub-Committee on Finance: Finance Bill 2014: Committee Stage (Resumed) (19 Nov 2014)

Ciarán Lynch: You are not. Speaking about the water charges is obviously an attempt to provoke other members of the committee.

Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform: Select Sub-Committee on Finance: Finance Bill 2014: Committee Stage (Resumed) (19 Nov 2014)

Ciarán Lynch: Please allow me to speak, Deputy Doherty. I am still the Chairman of this committee. I am only trying to keep this committee meeting going through the day. I gave very great leeway yesterday and last night. We have a lot of work to get through. I would like members to stick to the amendments so that we can get through the work. If the Deputy wants to provoke rows about water charges and...

Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform: Select Sub-Committee on Finance: Finance Bill 2014: Committee Stage (Resumed) (19 Nov 2014)

Ciarán Lynch: The Deputy knows I still allow plenty of leeway in the discussions. The Deputy wants the whole situation to break down into a party political row.

Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform: Select Sub-Committee on Finance: Finance Bill 2014: Committee Stage (Resumed) (19 Nov 2014)

Ciarán Lynch: It is Deputy McGrath's turn once Deputy Doherty has finished.

Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform: Select Sub-Committee on Finance: Finance Bill 2014: Committee Stage (Resumed) (19 Nov 2014)

Ciarán Lynch: On a point of procedure.

Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform: Select Sub-Committee on Finance: Finance Bill 2014: Committee Stage (Resumed) (19 Nov 2014)

Ciarán Lynch: Last night, there were discussions about ideology and everything else-----

Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform: Select Sub-Committee on Finance: Finance Bill 2014: Committee Stage (Resumed) (19 Nov 2014)

Ciarán Lynch: Yes, for two and a half hours and I would have stopped him or stopped you.

Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform: Select Sub-Committee on Finance: Finance Bill 2014: Committee Stage (Resumed) (19 Nov 2014)

Ciarán Lynch: I am not naive about how committees work. Rather than starting the day like this, I can see how a meeting can go-----

Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform: Select Sub-Committee on Finance: Finance Bill 2014: Committee Stage (Resumed) (19 Nov 2014)

Ciarán Lynch: Yes, thank you.

Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform: Select Sub-Committee on Finance: Finance Bill 2014: Committee Stage (Resumed) (19 Nov 2014)

Ciarán Lynch: We are expected to confine ourselves to discussion of the amendments, even though significant leeway is permitted. However, I do not want to be listening to the same argument for the next 15 hours.

Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform: Select Sub-Committee on Finance: Finance Bill 2014: Committee Stage (Resumed) (19 Nov 2014)

Ciarán Lynch: I will give the same warning to the Minister of State as I gave to Deputy Doherty that he should stick to the substantive amendment.

Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform: Select Sub-Committee on Finance: Finance Bill 2014: Committee Stage (Resumed) (19 Nov 2014)

Ciarán Lynch: They are probably provoking the Minister of State rather than asking him to respond.

Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform: Select Sub-Committee on Finance: Finance Bill 2014: Committee Stage (Resumed) (19 Nov 2014)

Ciarán Lynch: I welcome the Minister of State, Deputy Simon Harris, for what I hope will be a productive day; it will certainly be a long day.

Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform: Select Sub-Committee on Finance: Finance Bill 2014: Committee Stage (Resumed) (19 Nov 2014)

Ciarán Lynch: Amendments Nos. 9 and 10, in the name of Deputy Pearse Doherty, have been ruled out of order.

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