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Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: CervicalCheck Screening Programme: Discussion (16 May 2018)

Alan Kelly: As long as it includes all references to Ministers and advisers.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: CervicalCheck Screening Programme: Discussion (16 May 2018)

Alan Kelly: We have been through other committees and other Departments about private emails and private phones and all of that. I ask Mr. Breslin to make sure it is all covered. The second issue is just an observation. Mr. Breslin has said he was not told about any of these issues until the Vicky Phelan case came light. I accept that. How does he feel that senior management in the HSE - the top...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: CervicalCheck Screening Programme: Discussion (16 May 2018)

Alan Kelly: That is okay.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: CervicalCheck Screening Programme: Discussion (16 May 2018)

Alan Kelly: They did know it.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: CervicalCheck Screening Programme: Discussion (16 May 2018)

Alan Kelly: I did not say anything about non-disclosure. There were issues in the audit process. Dr. O'Keeffe has identified that she had to inform other people at senior management level in the HSE. She told us in evidence earlier that she did so in respect of Mr. Lynch on 3 March.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: CervicalCheck Screening Programme: Discussion (16 May 2018)

Alan Kelly: No-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: CervicalCheck Screening Programme: Discussion (16 May 2018)

Alan Kelly: Having knowledge later on, however, when issues started to arise and then still doing nothing is the point I am making. There is a track record here of people who knew about information within the HSE and did not inform the Department of Health. If Mr. Breslin is not concerned about that from March 2016 to when he found out about the Vicky Phelan case, then that is extraordinary.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: CervicalCheck Screening Programme: Discussion (16 May 2018)

Alan Kelly: At senior management level.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: CervicalCheck Screening Programme: Discussion (16 May 2018)

Alan Kelly: The two gentlemen that we do not know yet-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: CervicalCheck Screening Programme: Discussion (16 May 2018)

Alan Kelly: I agree with Mr. Breslin. Can I ask-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: CervicalCheck Screening Programme: Discussion (16 May 2018)

Alan Kelly: I am going to do what my colleague did and say there were eight or nine minutes there. I will take them-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: CervicalCheck Screening Programme: Discussion (16 May 2018)

Alan Kelly: If the rules-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: CervicalCheck Screening Programme: Discussion (16 May 2018)

Alan Kelly: The Deputy is not chairing.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: CervicalCheck Screening Programme: Discussion (16 May 2018)

Alan Kelly: I will take the same time as the previous speaker.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: CervicalCheck Screening Programme: Discussion (16 May 2018)

Alan Kelly: Deputy Durkan is not the Ceann Comhairle.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: CervicalCheck Screening Programme: Discussion (16 May 2018)

Alan Kelly: This is ridiculous.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: CervicalCheck Screening Programme: Discussion (16 May 2018)

Alan Kelly: Can I ask my question please? I direct this question to Dr. O'Keeffe. This is intriguing me. Why did the first memo happen on the date it did? Why was there a decision to do a memo in March 2016? It was March 2016, was it?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: CervicalCheck Screening Programme: Discussion (16 May 2018)

Alan Kelly: Why did it start then? Had it anything to do with the fact that one of the two women, who took legal cases before they unfortunately passed away, Lord rest them, had been told about her situation in respect of a number of smears taken some years previously? She had been notified just prior to that date. Was there any correlation between the fact that she had just been told and this document...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: CervicalCheck Screening Programme: Discussion (16 May 2018)

Alan Kelly: To conclude, is there a correlation between this memo on this date of all dates and the fact that she had been told in February? Obviously, she was not able to make her appointment, which is referenced in the documentation.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: CervicalCheck Screening Programme: Discussion (16 May 2018)

Alan Kelly: I ask Dr. O'Keeffe to answer my question. What stimulated the memo?

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