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Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 33 - Tourism, Culture, Arts, Gaeltacht, Sport and Media
Chapter 7 - Oversight of Funding for the European Capital of Culture 2020
(25 Nov 2021)

Catherine Murphy: No. Deputy Carroll MacNeill is coming across very clearly.

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 33 - Tourism, Culture, Arts, Gaeltacht, Sport and Media
Chapter 7 - Oversight of Funding for the European Capital of Culture 2020
(25 Nov 2021)

Catherine Murphy: You are okay. That has not been asked.

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 33 - Tourism, Culture, Arts, Gaeltacht, Sport and Media
Chapter 7 - Oversight of Funding for the European Capital of Culture 2020
(25 Nov 2021)

Catherine Murphy: If there is time, I will invite the Deputy to speak again.

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 33 - Tourism, Culture, Arts, Gaeltacht, Sport and Media
Chapter 7 - Oversight of Funding for the European Capital of Culture 2020
(25 Nov 2021)

Catherine Murphy: We will now have a second round of questions. Each Member will have six minutes and if we have time, we will come back around again. We will start with Deputy Munster.

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 33 - Tourism, Culture, Arts, Gaeltacht, Sport and Media
Chapter 7 - Oversight of Funding for the European Capital of Culture 2020
(25 Nov 2021)

Catherine Murphy: We will leave it at this once the response comes in because the Deputy is well over time.

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 33 - Tourism, Culture, Arts, Gaeltacht, Sport and Media
Chapter 7 - Oversight of Funding for the European Capital of Culture 2020
(25 Nov 2021)

Catherine Murphy: The next speakers are me and Deputy Devlin. I remind people to indicate if they wish to contribute. There may be time for people to come back in if nobody else indicates. I want to discuss Sport Ireland. It has not published its accounts as yet. It is very difficult to make sense of this very mixed Department. We would nearly need to look at each set of accounts for the individual...

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 33 - Tourism, Culture, Arts, Gaeltacht, Sport and Media
Chapter 7 - Oversight of Funding for the European Capital of Culture 2020
(25 Nov 2021)

Catherine Murphy: I am speaking specifically about the rescue package.

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 33 - Tourism, Culture, Arts, Gaeltacht, Sport and Media
Chapter 7 - Oversight of Funding for the European Capital of Culture 2020
(25 Nov 2021)

Catherine Murphy: I thank Mr. Ó Lionáin. In the previous Dáil I was on the committee that dealt with transport, tourism and sport where I continuously raised governance. It was clear there were problems and those problems followed on problems experienced in the Olympic Council of Ireland. I have concerns about a couple of sporting organisations. The Secretary General spoke about the layers...

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 33 - Tourism, Culture, Arts, Gaeltacht, Sport and Media
Chapter 7 - Oversight of Funding for the European Capital of Culture 2020
(25 Nov 2021)

Catherine Murphy: Is the Department looking at the overall governance of an organisation as opposed to looking at how public money is spent?

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 33 - Tourism, Culture, Arts, Gaeltacht, Sport and Media
Chapter 7 - Oversight of Funding for the European Capital of Culture 2020
(25 Nov 2021)

Catherine Murphy: A huge amount of damage has been done, although some very good things are happening in the FAI now. However, the damage to the Olympic Council and the damage to the FAI because people were asleep at the wheel, or because there was not the right kind of oversight, is immeasurable. It is not only about financial cost; it is also about reputational cost and opportunity cost in terms of...

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 33 - Tourism, Culture, Arts, Gaeltacht, Sport and Media
Chapter 7 - Oversight of Funding for the European Capital of Culture 2020
(25 Nov 2021)

Catherine Murphy: How many are outstanding?

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 33 - Tourism, Culture, Arts, Gaeltacht, Sport and Media
Chapter 7 - Oversight of Funding for the European Capital of Culture 2020
(25 Nov 2021)

Catherine Murphy: The majority have not signed up to it yet.

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 33 - Tourism, Culture, Arts, Gaeltacht, Sport and Media
Chapter 7 - Oversight of Funding for the European Capital of Culture 2020
(25 Nov 2021)

Catherine Murphy: When the Department is sending the note on the National Archives, will it include Portlaoise, the retrieval costs, what digitisation programmes are under way and whether the lead-in to the 2026 census is something the Department is starting to fund at this stage?

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 33 - Tourism, Culture, Arts, Gaeltacht, Sport and Media
Chapter 7 - Oversight of Funding for the European Capital of Culture 2020
(25 Nov 2021)

Catherine Murphy: Mr. Falvey said 2026 is in hand. Is that to have it online for 2026?

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 33 - Tourism, Culture, Arts, Gaeltacht, Sport and Media
Chapter 7 - Oversight of Funding for the European Capital of Culture 2020
(25 Nov 2021)

Catherine Murphy: Thank you. I call Deputy Cormac Devlin.

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 33 - Tourism, Culture, Arts, Gaeltacht, Sport and Media
Chapter 7 - Oversight of Funding for the European Capital of Culture 2020
(25 Nov 2021)

Catherine Murphy: In respect of the comments made by Deputy Munster, it would be remiss of me not to remind members of the long-standing practice that they should not make charges against those outside the Houses, particularly when they are not here to defend themselves. I will not labour the point; it is just a reminder. In the absence of other members indicating, I might come in with a few points myself....

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 33 - Tourism, Culture, Arts, Gaeltacht, Sport and Media
Chapter 7 - Oversight of Funding for the European Capital of Culture 2020
(25 Nov 2021)

Catherine Murphy: Does that go to the point Deputy Verona Murphy made about the arrangements that were put in place? It would have been known that was a criterion. Why would that not have been insisted on? It is quite a sizeable sum in the overall scheme of a capital of culture.

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 33 - Tourism, Culture, Arts, Gaeltacht, Sport and Media
Chapter 7 - Oversight of Funding for the European Capital of Culture 2020
(25 Nov 2021)

Catherine Murphy: Everybody sees the value of a capital of culture. I acknowledge that Galway has a particular offering and that it was unlucky with the timing We had had problems with this previously, as Deputy Burke pointed out. Limerick was another capital of culture where, if I recall correctly, there were problems. We appeared to repeat the mistakes as opposed to learn from them. Has there been an...

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 33 - Tourism, Culture, Arts, Gaeltacht, Sport and Media
Chapter 7 - Oversight of Funding for the European Capital of Culture 2020
(25 Nov 2021)

Catherine Murphy: Can Mr. Falvey keep that brief?

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 33 - Tourism, Culture, Arts, Gaeltacht, Sport and Media
Chapter 7 - Oversight of Funding for the European Capital of Culture 2020
(25 Nov 2021)

Catherine Murphy: There is no doubt that in the year that was in it, this particular sector was so impacted that we would all acknowledge that while it was just a tiny proportion of what was needed, it was certainly of benefit. We in the Committee of Public Accounts examine governance, funding and value for money, and I do not ask these questions to diminish the designation. Some of these issues cannot be...

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