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Public Accounts Committee: 2019 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 24 - Justice and Equality
(9 Dec 2020)

Verona Murphy: The board administers it on behalf of the Department but it is still sanctioned at the Garda station.

Public Accounts Committee: 2019 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 24 - Justice and Equality
(9 Dec 2020)

Verona Murphy: At what level is this sanctioned? Is it sanctioned by a junior garda or a superintendent?

Public Accounts Committee: 2019 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 24 - Justice and Equality
(9 Dec 2020)

Verona Murphy: Does Ms McPhillips have any idea of how many cases were covered by that?

Public Accounts Committee: 2019 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 24 - Justice and Equality
(9 Dec 2020)

Verona Murphy: The expenditure is about €1.7 million

Public Accounts Committee: 2019 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 24 - Justice and Equality
(9 Dec 2020)

Verona Murphy: That is significant. What controls are in place to oversee that expenditure?

Public Accounts Committee: 2019 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 24 - Justice and Equality
(9 Dec 2020)

Verona Murphy: So there is a form of control.

Public Accounts Committee: 2019 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 24 - Justice and Equality
(9 Dec 2020)

Verona Murphy: Has any consideration been given to putting this on a statutory footing? Would Ms McPhillips recommend doing so?

Public Accounts Committee: 2019 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 24 - Justice and Equality
(9 Dec 2020)

Verona Murphy: I appreciate that, but it is not on a statutory footing. Should it be?

Public Accounts Committee: 2019 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 24 - Justice and Equality
(9 Dec 2020)

Verona Murphy: Expenditure on training and development is almost double the sum in the Estimate. What contract services were included in the additional €2 million worth of costs incurred by the Department in 2019? The Estimate called for €3.8 million. That figure was budgeted for. The real expenditure was €6.8 million.

Public Accounts Committee: 2019 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 24 - Justice and Equality
(9 Dec 2020)

Verona Murphy: What were the incidental expenses?

Public Accounts Committee: 2019 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 24 - Justice and Equality
(9 Dec 2020)

Verona Murphy: I thought legal fees were already accounted for. Perhaps the Comptroller and Auditor General could comment on that.

Public Accounts Committee: 2019 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 24 - Justice and Equality
(9 Dec 2020)

Verona Murphy: I do not wish to cut the witness off. I understand that the subhead includes more than training development. The heading refers to incidental expenses. The budget was €3.8 million and the expenditure was €6.8 million. For the benefit of the better understanding of the committee, Mr. Clifford might submit a breakdown of that.

Public Accounts Committee: 2019 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 24 - Justice and Equality
(9 Dec 2020)

Verona Murphy: Can Mr. Clifford provide a breakdown?

Public Accounts Committee: 2019 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 24 - Justice and Equality
(9 Dec 2020)

Verona Murphy: I thank the witness. If expenditure runs over by €3 million it is best for the Committee of Public Accounts to know why.

Public Accounts Committee: 2019 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 24 - Justice and Equality
(9 Dec 2020)

Verona Murphy: Was the Comptroller and Auditor General going to come in on the legal fees question?

Public Accounts Committee: 2019 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 24 - Justice and Equality
(9 Dec 2020)

Verona Murphy: Okay, I thank the Comptroller and Auditor General. On non-compliance with procurement, the Accounting Officer stated that the Department complied with procurement guidelines through 2019. However, there are 19 instances of non-competitive procurement with payments that total almost €3 million. Under EU procurement law, non-competitive procurement is permitted in some circumstances...

Public Accounts Committee: 2019 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 24 - Justice and Equality
(9 Dec 2020)

Verona Murphy: Regarding the community service orders, are statistics available for reoffending? That is really the question I was asking in respect of restorative justice.

Public Accounts Committee: 2019 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 24 - Justice and Equality
(9 Dec 2020)

Verona Murphy: I would appreciate that so we can see for ourselves. Ireland is not as big on restorative justice as other EU countries and it would be useful to measure it. On procurement and the non-competitive aspect, will the Department send the committee a report of how this has now been rectified?

Public Accounts Committee: 2019 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 24 - Justice and Equality
(9 Dec 2020)

Verona Murphy: I thank the Comptroller and Auditor General. That puts a different interpretation on this.

Public Accounts Committee: 2019 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 24 - Justice and Equality
(9 Dec 2020)

Verona Murphy: Again, is it possible to furnish a report on all that for the committee's benefit? There are 16 contracts totally €4 million.

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