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Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 3 - Vote Accounting and Budget Management
Chapter 4 - Reallocation of Voted Funding
(20 Oct 2022)

Brian Stanley: Thank you. I call Deputy O'Connor.

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 3 - Vote Accounting and Budget Management
Chapter 4 - Reallocation of Voted Funding
(20 Oct 2022)

Brian Stanley: The Deputy has five minutes.

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 3 - Vote Accounting and Budget Management
Chapter 4 - Reallocation of Voted Funding
(20 Oct 2022)

Brian Stanley: Deputy, I know that this is a frustrating issue but the regulator is not here to defend himself.

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 3 - Vote Accounting and Budget Management
Chapter 4 - Reallocation of Voted Funding
(20 Oct 2022)

Brian Stanley: Did the Deputy ask how can we streamline funding and get projects up and running?

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 3 - Vote Accounting and Budget Management
Chapter 4 - Reallocation of Voted Funding
(20 Oct 2022)

Brian Stanley: There certainly is frustration at the fact that there seems to be blocks.

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 3 - Vote Accounting and Budget Management
Chapter 4 - Reallocation of Voted Funding
(20 Oct 2022)

Brian Stanley: Okay. We have heard the answer from the Department of Public Expenditure and Reform.

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 3 - Vote Accounting and Budget Management
Chapter 4 - Reallocation of Voted Funding
(20 Oct 2022)

Brian Stanley: This committee issued a report on 5 July regarding the examination of the 2019 Appropriation Accounts, Vote 29 for the Department responsible for the environment, climate, communications, broadcasting and media. There was a focus on four areas. We received a minute from the Minister in reply to those recommendations, as would be normal, on 7 October. We normally get a response saying "Yes"...

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 3 - Vote Accounting and Budget Management
Chapter 4 - Reallocation of Voted Funding
(20 Oct 2022)

Brian Stanley: The Department of Tourism, Culture, Arts, Gaeltacht, Sport and Media is in charge of the public money that goes to RTÉ, including taxpayers' money. This is not to mention the licence fee that it collects. It has responded to us. Mr. Moloney has a role as Secretary General of the Department of Public Expenditure and Reform. His Department has accountability to ensure these issues are...

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 3 - Vote Accounting and Budget Management
Chapter 4 - Reallocation of Voted Funding
(20 Oct 2022)

Brian Stanley: That Department cannot have a hands-off approach. I do not expect it to micromanage RTÉ but it cannot have a hands-off approach when significant amounts of taxpayers' money are being administrated. I am alerting Mr. Moloney to this. I would appreciate if he came back to us on it and followed up on it. That concludes our business for today. I thank the witnesses for joining us, the...

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 3 - Vote Accounting and Budget Management
Chapter 4 - Reallocation of Voted Funding
(20 Oct 2022)

Brian Stanley: I thank Mr. Moloney and the staff. I ask him to follow up with the information. With the agreement of the committee we will now suspend to allow the officials to withdraw, after which we will briefly go into private session and resume in public session to deal with correspondence and other business of the committee. Is that agreed? Agreed.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (20 Oct 2022)

Brian Stanley: The business before the committee this afternoon is as follows: minutes; accounts and financial statements; correspondence; work programme; and any other business. Before I take the minutes, I understand that Deputy Catherine Murphy has to leave for the Dáil Chamber and wishes to quickly say something.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (20 Oct 2022)

Brian Stanley: It is a HR issue, but there are issues we raised here around the categorisation of employees. For the Deputy's information, I raised the issue of the RTÉ report and the Department of Environment, Climate and Communications in her absence this morning with the Secretary General of the Department of Public Expenditure and Reform. The proposal is that we notify the Department of...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (20 Oct 2022)

Brian Stanley: They do not.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (20 Oct 2022)

Brian Stanley: Is that proposal accepted? I will take it as accepted. We will do that. I thank the Deputy. The first item then is minutes from the meeting dated 13 October 2022, which have been circulated. Do members wish to raise any matter regarding the minutes? No. Are the minutes agreed? Agreed. As usual, they will be published on the committee’s web page. Five sets of financial...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (20 Oct 2022)

Brian Stanley: I thank Mr. McCarthy.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (20 Oct 2022)

Brian Stanley: I propose that we add that to the work programme. The AHBs are now major players in the provision of housing and their regulator is important. Is Can we agree, therefore, to note this under the financial statements? Agreed. As usual, this will be published as part of the committee's minutes on the web page. I propose to move on to correspondence. As previously agreed, items that were not...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (20 Oct 2022)

Brian Stanley: Yes, we would not have sight of it now.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (20 Oct 2022)

Brian Stanley: The Department of Public Expenditure and Reform says that it "does not have a role in evaluating such transactions". I suggest that we write to the Department to ask for its view of it, as we are 12 months into this, and to see if the Department has a comment to make on it and how it is operating to date. Is that agreed? Agreed. No. R1497B from Mr. Paul O'Connell, on behalf of Mr. David...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (20 Oct 2022)

Brian Stanley: Several different bodies have indicated the service was beneficial. The Secretary General of the Department of Public Expenditure and Reform this morning confirmed that he had referred to and used the service in the past. He said that other Departments and bodies have benefited from it as well. This matter puzzles me because the cost of Benefacts over six or seven years was roughly...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (20 Oct 2022)

Brian Stanley: I suggest that we hold this matter over until next week. Is that agreed? Agreed. The funding for Benefacts is a small enough amount of money relative to funding for many other areas. The service was widely used and to lose it like this is a loss to the State. We will put it in the work programme for next week. The next item of correspondence is No. R1498B from Mr. David Moloney,...

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