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Public Accounts Committee: Management of Legal Costs and Policy on Open Disclosure (Resumed)
Implications of CervicalCheck Revelations (Resumed)
2016 Financial Statements of the State Claims Agency (Resumed)
2016 Financial Statements of the HSE (Resumed)
(16 May 2018)

Alan Kelly: I used the phrase "upwards and downwards accountability".

Public Accounts Committee: Management of Legal Costs and Policy on Open Disclosure (Resumed)
Implications of CervicalCheck Revelations (Resumed)
2016 Financial Statements of the State Claims Agency (Resumed)
2016 Financial Statements of the HSE (Resumed)
(16 May 2018)

Alan Kelly: Do people in those positions need to vacate them while this is going on because they are dealing with live situations?

Public Accounts Committee: Management of Legal Costs and Policy on Open Disclosure (Resumed)
Implications of CervicalCheck Revelations (Resumed)
2016 Financial Statements of the State Claims Agency (Resumed)
2016 Financial Statements of the HSE (Resumed)
(16 May 2018)

Alan Kelly: I note, for example, that Vicky and Stephen have not been communicated with.

Public Accounts Committee: Management of Legal Costs and Policy on Open Disclosure (Resumed)
Implications of CervicalCheck Revelations (Resumed)
2016 Financial Statements of the State Claims Agency (Resumed)
2016 Financial Statements of the HSE (Resumed)
(16 May 2018)

Alan Kelly: That is just-----

Public Accounts Committee: Management of Legal Costs and Policy on Open Disclosure (Resumed)
Implications of CervicalCheck Revelations (Resumed)
2016 Financial Statements of the State Claims Agency (Resumed)
2016 Financial Statements of the HSE (Resumed)
(16 May 2018)

Alan Kelly: Yes, that is right.

Public Accounts Committee: Management of Legal Costs and Policy on Open Disclosure (Resumed)
Implications of CervicalCheck Revelations (Resumed)
2016 Financial Statements of the State Claims Agency (Resumed)
2016 Financial Statements of the HSE (Resumed)
(16 May 2018)

Alan Kelly: I want to ask Vicky this question. Obviously, herself and Cian have gone through what they have. We now know the length of time that information on Vicky's situation was being bounced around by Mr. Hickey and CervicalCheck. If senior management at national level in the HSE was aware of the situation and of Vicky's case and did nothing about it, how would that make her feel?

Public Accounts Committee: Management of Legal Costs and Policy on Open Disclosure (Resumed)
Implications of CervicalCheck Revelations (Resumed)
2016 Financial Statements of the State Claims Agency (Resumed)
2016 Financial Statements of the HSE (Resumed)
(16 May 2018)

Alan Kelly: With regard to those national directors who were actually made aware of Vicky's case - and different information is coming out as regards 2016 and 2017 in particular - between 2017 and Vicky actually blowing the lid off this only a few short weeks ago, they were not active in respect of this information. They have done nothing with it and have not said that it has to be dealt with. This is...

Public Accounts Committee: Management of Legal Costs and Policy on Open Disclosure (Resumed)
Implications of CervicalCheck Revelations (Resumed)
2016 Financial Statements of the State Claims Agency (Resumed)
2016 Financial Statements of the HSE (Resumed)
(16 May 2018)

Alan Kelly: That is right.

Public Accounts Committee: Management of Legal Costs and Policy on Open Disclosure (Resumed)
Implications of CervicalCheck Revelations (Resumed)
2016 Financial Statements of the State Claims Agency (Resumed)
2016 Financial Statements of the HSE (Resumed)
(16 May 2018)

Alan Kelly: We would not be here today discussing this otherwise.

Public Accounts Committee: Management of Legal Costs and Policy on Open Disclosure (Resumed)
Implications of CervicalCheck Revelations (Resumed)
2016 Financial Statements of the State Claims Agency (Resumed)
2016 Financial Statements of the HSE (Resumed)
(16 May 2018)

Alan Kelly: My final question - I am prone to asking too many questions - is for Stephen and Vicky. People whose families have been affected and who have not gone public for various reasons will be in touch with them. Would they encourage others-----

Public Accounts Committee: Management of Legal Costs and Policy on Open Disclosure (Resumed)
Implications of CervicalCheck Revelations (Resumed)
2016 Financial Statements of the State Claims Agency (Resumed)
2016 Financial Statements of the HSE (Resumed)
(16 May 2018)

Alan Kelly: Yes.

Public Accounts Committee: Management of Legal Costs and Policy on Open Disclosure (Resumed)
Implications of CervicalCheck Revelations (Resumed)
2016 Financial Statements of the State Claims Agency (Resumed)
2016 Financial Statements of the HSE (Resumed)
(16 May 2018)

Alan Kelly: Of course.

Public Accounts Committee: Management of Legal Costs and Policy on Open Disclosure (Resumed)
Implications of CervicalCheck Revelations (Resumed)
2016 Financial Statements of the State Claims Agency (Resumed)
2016 Financial Statements of the HSE (Resumed)
(16 May 2018)

Alan Kelly: Of course, every circumstance is different.

Public Accounts Committee: Management of Legal Costs and Policy on Open Disclosure (Resumed)
Implications of CervicalCheck Revelations (Resumed)
2016 Financial Statements of the State Claims Agency (Resumed)
2016 Financial Statements of the HSE (Resumed)
(16 May 2018)

Alan Kelly: Of course.

Public Accounts Committee: Management of Legal Costs and Policy on Open Disclosure (Resumed)
Implications of CervicalCheck Revelations (Resumed)
2016 Financial Statements of the State Claims Agency (Resumed)
2016 Financial Statements of the HSE (Resumed)
(16 May 2018)

Alan Kelly: Exactly, that is some learning-----

Public Accounts Committee: Management of Legal Costs and Policy on Open Disclosure (Resumed)
Implications of CervicalCheck Revelations (Resumed)
2016 Financial Statements of the State Claims Agency (Resumed)
2016 Financial Statements of the HSE (Resumed)
(16 May 2018)

Alan Kelly: Of course.

Public Accounts Committee: Management of Legal Costs and Policy on Open Disclosure (Resumed)
Implications of CervicalCheck Revelations (Resumed)
2016 Financial Statements of the State Claims Agency (Resumed)
2016 Financial Statements of the HSE (Resumed)
(16 May 2018)

Alan Kelly: Exactly.

Public Accounts Committee: Management of Legal Costs and Policy on Open Disclosure (Resumed)
Implications of CervicalCheck Revelations (Resumed)
2016 Financial Statements of the State Claims Agency (Resumed)
2016 Financial Statements of the HSE (Resumed)
(16 May 2018)

Alan Kelly: Exactly.

Public Accounts Committee: Management of Legal Costs and Policy on Open Disclosure (Resumed)
Implications of CervicalCheck Revelations (Resumed)
2016 Financial Statements of the State Claims Agency (Resumed)
2016 Financial Statements of the HSE (Resumed)
(16 May 2018)

Alan Kelly: Absolutely.

Public Accounts Committee: Management of Legal Costs and Policy on Open Disclosure (Resumed)
Implications of CervicalCheck Revelations (Resumed)
2016 Financial Statements of the State Claims Agency (Resumed)
2016 Financial Statements of the HSE (Resumed)
(16 May 2018)

Alan Kelly: Absolutely, yes.

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