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Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Water Quality Monitoring Report: Discussion (19 Jul 2023)

Tim Lombard: A list of the section 63s issued would be very appropriate. It would show the work the EPA is doing from the point of view of enforcement to oblige local authorities or Uisce Éireann to make sure that water quality is up to standard. A list per county or by local authority area would give an indication of the good work the EPA is doing and make sure that it is not just having a crack...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Water Quality Monitoring Report: Discussion (19 Jul 2023)

Tim Lombard: But there is probably more in the compliance notices - in the section 63s.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Water Quality Monitoring Report: Discussion (19 Jul 2023)

Tim Lombard: Are the witnesses happy with the way the report is laid out? Are they happy that the information given in the report is easy for the user to understand?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Water Quality Monitoring Report: Discussion (19 Jul 2023)

Tim Lombard: What efforts has the EPA made to inform the public, farmers and communities about this report and how it works? Have there been seminars, public meetings or, for want of better terminology, engagements?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Water Quality Monitoring Report: Discussion (19 Jul 2023)

Tim Lombard: Would it have been beneficial to have done so?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Water Quality Monitoring Report: Discussion (19 Jul 2023)

Tim Lombard: There was an open day in Moorepark a few weeks ago that was attended by thousands of dairy farmers. Their only questions were about this report and, specifically, about page 27, which contains the red map. That would have been a wonderful opportunity for the EPA to engage with the cohort of farmers who will be affected. That is my view. Will our guests explain page 27 of this report? It...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Water Quality Monitoring Report: Discussion (19 Jul 2023)

Tim Lombard: I am asking about the famous red map. Please do not think I am being disrespectful, but it has created chaos. What it states is clear as mud. The EPA has put forward additional information that was not asked for by the Commission in an attempt to clarify matters but perhaps it has confused things even more. Will our guests please go over the information contained in the red map on page 27?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Water Quality Monitoring Report: Discussion (19 Jul 2023)

Tim Lombard: Who set those criteria?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Water Quality Monitoring Report: Discussion (19 Jul 2023)

Tim Lombard: The EPA included additional information on the other map for clarity. It may be on page 21. Is the view of the EPA that the criteria set by the Commission was not appropriate? What is the view of our guests about how the EPA set those criteria?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Water Quality Monitoring Report: Discussion (19 Jul 2023)

Tim Lombard: In that case, why did the EPA produce the other map?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Water Quality Monitoring Report: Discussion (19 Jul 2023)

Tim Lombard: If I were to take the red map-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Water Quality Monitoring Report: Discussion (19 Jul 2023)

Tim Lombard: Leitrim, where there are 3,000 cows and one farmer who has a derogation, is on the red map. If we were to get rid of every cow in Leitrim tomorrow morning, would Leitrim be off the red map?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Water Quality Monitoring Report: Discussion (19 Jul 2023)

Tim Lombard: But this is about the nitrates action plan and how we are considering the issue.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Water Quality Monitoring Report: Discussion (19 Jul 2023)

Tim Lombard: Is the EPA satisfied that the criteria will be effective in increasing our water quality?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Water Quality Monitoring Report: Discussion (19 Jul 2023)

Tim Lombard: Dr. Cotter can see how the farming community might look at this map and ask what it was about. We know the cattle stocking density in some areas. As Dr. Cotter rightly mentioned, there are freely draining soils in the south and south east. However, we are discussing the nitrates action plan and reducing nitrogen levels. If we were to reduce those levels in County Leitrim and a derogation...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Water Quality Monitoring Report: Discussion (19 Jul 2023)

Tim Lombard: Are the criteria-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Water Quality Monitoring Report: Discussion (19 Jul 2023)

Tim Lombard: If eutrophication was not a part of the criteria set by the Commission, would Leitrim be a different colour?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Water Quality Monitoring Report: Discussion (19 Jul 2023)

Tim Lombard: It is a fair question to ask, is it not?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Water Quality Monitoring Report: Discussion (19 Jul 2023)

Tim Lombard: I would like to think so. Dr. Cotter can see where I am coming from. The confusion in the industry caused by the red map is amazing. The red map does not make sense. A Deputy from Mayo is present who will speak for that part of the world. I am not sure whether there are many derogation farmers there, yet half of Mayo is included in the map. The second element of the criteria set by the...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Water Quality Monitoring Report: Discussion (19 Jul 2023)

Tim Lombard: Dr. Cotter rightly referred to a sole focus on derogation farms producing nitrogen. Unfortunately, the recommendations largely affect them solely. I appreciate that the EPA had to add a second map it was not asked for in order to bring more clarity to the situation. If the EPA were to model this map, would it do so differently?

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