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Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 94 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: National Asset Management Agency Sale of Project Eagle (Resumed) (17 Nov 2016)

Marc MacSharry: Would it be unusual or unheard of?

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 94 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: National Asset Management Agency Sale of Project Eagle (Resumed) (17 Nov 2016)

Marc MacSharry: The purchaser.

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 94 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: National Asset Management Agency Sale of Project Eagle (Resumed) (17 Nov 2016)

Marc MacSharry: With respect, Chairman, yesterday we heard evidence of a memorandum of understanding-----

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 94 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: National Asset Management Agency Sale of Project Eagle (Resumed) (17 Nov 2016)

Marc MacSharry: It emanated from the Northern Ireland authorities. Yesterday a witness told us that it had ended up with NAMA within three days of a three-way conversation that had included the Minister down here. I am trying to establish whether the people in NAMA knew about it at the time. They have said they did not. I want to take advantage of the fact that we have certain expertise before us and...

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 94 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: National Asset Management Agency Sale of Project Eagle (Resumed) (17 Nov 2016)

Marc MacSharry: I understand that.

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 94 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: National Asset Management Agency Sale of Project Eagle (Resumed) (17 Nov 2016)

Marc MacSharry: I know, but we are not talking to him today.

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 94 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: National Asset Management Agency Sale of Project Eagle (Resumed) (17 Nov 2016)

Marc MacSharry: All I am trying to find out is whether a memorandum of understanding existed, as far as NAMA is concerned. Mr. Frank Daly has given his view on it but frankly, I do not know. I want to get to the bottom of it. If there was such a memorandum, it would have brought down the value and that is a concern. Mr. McGuinness said that the document went to NAMA but I do not know if that is true....

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 94 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: National Asset Management Agency Sale of Project Eagle (Resumed) (17 Nov 2016)

Marc MacSharry: If NAMA had stock or file valuations for assets in 2009 which it was disposing of in 2013 or 2014, would it have been prudent, in terms of best practice, to update those valuations?

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 94 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: National Asset Management Agency Sale of Project Eagle (Resumed) (17 Nov 2016)

Marc MacSharry: What is the difference?

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 94 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: National Asset Management Agency Sale of Project Eagle (Resumed) (17 Nov 2016)

Marc MacSharry: Okay. So just-----

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 94 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: National Asset Management Agency Sale of Project Eagle (Resumed) (17 Nov 2016)

Marc MacSharry: I thank Mr. Mulcahy for the explanation of the definition of assets. I will ask the question again. Does Mr. Mulcahy think it would have been prudent to update a 2009 valuation for a 2013 disposal, regardless of whether it was bricks and mortar or a loan?

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 94 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: National Asset Management Agency Sale of Project Eagle (Resumed) (17 Nov 2016)

Marc MacSharry: Let us say I went-----

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 94 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: National Asset Management Agency Sale of Project Eagle (Resumed) (17 Nov 2016)

Marc MacSharry: Would Mr. Mulcahy think it prudent to have up to date valuations?

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 94 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: National Asset Management Agency Sale of Project Eagle (Resumed) (17 Nov 2016)

Marc MacSharry: It is not imprudent? That means prudent, then, does it not?

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 94 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: National Asset Management Agency Sale of Project Eagle (Resumed) (17 Nov 2016)

Marc MacSharry: I gave a lot of time for clarification so I ask the Chairman to bear with me. I just want to stick to the point on valuations for a second. When NAMA was selling assets, for example, houses or pubs, is it not true to say that it got three valuations under Mr. Mulcahy's watch?

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 94 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: National Asset Management Agency Sale of Project Eagle (Resumed) (17 Nov 2016)

Marc MacSharry: Is it not the case that when NAMA was selling assets - bricks and mortar or the underlying assets - it would ask for three valuations?

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 94 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: National Asset Management Agency Sale of Project Eagle (Resumed) (17 Nov 2016)

Marc MacSharry: Let us say a house in Kiltyclogher is being sold for €50,000. Was it the practice that NAMA, before selling that, would seek three valuations?

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 94 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: National Asset Management Agency Sale of Project Eagle (Resumed) (17 Nov 2016)

Marc MacSharry: One would be enough for Mr. Mulcahy. Let us say there is just one valuation. My experience is different and that seemed to be confirmed by Mr. Brendan McDonagh when he appeared before this committee and said that I was aware of the process, and indeed I am. Let us just take it that one valuation was enough for Mr. Mulcahy. As a board member, albeit not on the loan sales side of the...

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 94 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: National Asset Management Agency Sale of Project Eagle (Resumed) (17 Nov 2016)

Marc MacSharry: In 2009. Is that not correct?

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 94 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: National Asset Management Agency Sale of Project Eagle (Resumed) (17 Nov 2016)

Marc MacSharry: No, I have not.

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