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Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (27 Oct 2022)

Brian Stanley: We can request that. I am going to let in Deputy Catherine Murphy first and then I will let the Deputy back in.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (27 Oct 2022)

Brian Stanley: I will point out that the Department of Public Expenditure and Reform was asked to provide the full list of all inquiries and tribunals and the costs of them. It said that it was not a matter for the Department. Access is a matter for each separate Department. My understanding is that the Department of Public Expenditure and Reform did compile that list in the past on one occasion.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (27 Oct 2022)

Brian Stanley: No, absolutely not. The Department of Public Expenditure and Reform is the Department that oversees public spending. We should get back to it and ask for the full cost of everything at this point. Perhaps we also might seek a list of which ones on which there may still be outstanding fees or liabilities due.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (27 Oct 2022)

Brian Stanley: There is also the issue of third party costs.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (27 Oct 2022)

Brian Stanley: Is the Deputy suggesting that the Chief State Solicitor's office is also involved?

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (27 Oct 2022)

Brian Stanley: I would hope that there is some Department able to tell the committee how much has been spent over the past three decades on inquiries and tribunals. I would be very surprised if this cannot be done. I cannot see why that figure should not be available.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (27 Oct 2022)

Brian Stanley: It is.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (27 Oct 2022)

Brian Stanley: That came from the Department of Public Expenditure and Reform.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (27 Oct 2022)

Brian Stanley: What date is on that, Deputy?

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (27 Oct 2022)

Brian Stanley: I suggest we write to Mr. David Moloney, the Secretary General of the Department of Public Expenditure and Reform, pointing out that these have been collated in the past, giving him the date of that letter, asking for the updated position on the costs of all inquiries and tribunals, and asking for an estimate of what is outstanding at this point.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (27 Oct 2022)

Brian Stanley: We have not been doing it very well.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (27 Oct 2022)

Brian Stanley: These have dragged on for years and years, with very little product at the end of it.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (27 Oct 2022)

Brian Stanley: That is a discussion we can have, but I suggest we look for those figures from the Department of Public Expenditure and Reform and refer to the fact these were provided in 2019 and reference the date of what the Deputy has in front of her. Is that agreed? Agreed. We do not want to be fobbed off on that one. The next item is No. 1527B from Mr. John Hogan, Secretary General of the...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (27 Oct 2022)

Brian Stanley: The next two items, Nos. 1528B and 1525C, relate to the national broadband plan, and I will take them together. No. 1528B is from Mr. Ciarán Ó hÓbáin, assistant secretary general at the Department of the Environment, Climate and Communications, and it is dated 18 October. This is a further update on our recommendations to the Department that we work to develop in-house...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (27 Oct 2022)

Brian Stanley: There is substantial change of ownership taking place. It would be interesting, given there will be substantial changes on the board and to clarify the day the departmental witnesses were here, to get figures for the breakdown of what the board may look like. The other question is whether there will be any proceeds to the State. I know some elements of the contract for the national...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (27 Oct 2022)

Brian Stanley: We asked them about that.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (27 Oct 2022)

Brian Stanley: We will request information on whether there was any benefit to those individuals and also whether the State receives any benefit from this. The next category of correspondence is category C, which is correspondence from and related to private individuals and any other correspondence. No. 1516C is from an individual and is dated 16 October 2022. It is further correspondence to the...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (27 Oct 2022)

Brian Stanley: Yes.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (27 Oct 2022)

Brian Stanley: Do they pay a stamp?

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (27 Oct 2022)

Brian Stanley: Are they paying PRSI?

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