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Public Accounts Committee: University of Limerick: Financial Statements 2014-2015 (30 Mar 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: I know. Person B replaced person A, did they not?

Public Accounts Committee: University of Limerick: Financial Statements 2014-2015 (30 Mar 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: Remind us who carried out that investigation and who arrived at that decision.

Public Accounts Committee: University of Limerick: Financial Statements 2014-2015 (30 Mar 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: Say that again.

Public Accounts Committee: University of Limerick: Financial Statements 2014-2015 (30 Mar 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: Who is Gerry Mitchell?

Public Accounts Committee: University of Limerick: Financial Statements 2014-2015 (30 Mar 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: I want to know who carried out the investigation. Who are they?

Public Accounts Committee: University of Limerick: Financial Statements 2014-2015 (30 Mar 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: Okay. Did they make the initial finding of a malicious allegation?

Public Accounts Committee: University of Limerick: Financial Statements 2014-2015 (30 Mar 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: At no stage was this an internal university disciplinary panel or procedure.

Public Accounts Committee: University of Limerick: Financial Statements 2014-2015 (30 Mar 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: Quite outside of the allegations of physical threats and bullying, on the issues around expenses and the experiences of persons B and C, did their complaints mirror those of person A?

Public Accounts Committee: University of Limerick: Financial Statements 2014-2015 (30 Mar 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: I appreciate that but, leaving aside the physical bullying and intimidation, I simply want to establish that the complaints in respect of the expenses system of persons B and C echoed the complaints of person A. Is that correct?

Public Accounts Committee: University of Limerick: Financial Statements 2014-2015 (30 Mar 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: So they were in a similar vein. Can the professor understand why that would raise alarm for people like us? What we are seeing now is a pattern, are we not? I ask the witness to leave aside the bullying and intimidation piece and to focus in on the systems part of it. It is not just one person raising these complaints, nor two; it is in fact three people from a pool of 38. That is quite...

Public Accounts Committee: University of Limerick: Financial Statements 2014-2015 (30 Mar 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: In what respect, concisely, if the witness could?

Public Accounts Committee: University of Limerick: Financial Statements 2014-2015 (30 Mar 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: I acknowledged at the outset that the Mazars report was about process and evaluating process. I made that distinction. I have no difficulty in acknowledging that Mazars acknowledged that process. That is for sure. However, that does not solve the problem for me. I see a cultural problem that screams out at me of people perhaps being leaned on, not being supported and possibly getting...

Public Accounts Committee: University of Limerick: Financial Statements 2014-2015 (30 Mar 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: Okay. Did that happen in respect of any of the personnel within Mr. Field's department?

Public Accounts Committee: University of Limerick: Financial Statements 2014-2015 (30 Mar 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: I would like Mr. Field to answer the question.

Public Accounts Committee: University of Limerick: Financial Statements 2014-2015 (30 Mar 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: He is more than welcome to do that but I am on limited time.

Public Accounts Committee: University of Limerick: Financial Statements 2014-2015 (30 Mar 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: I asked about people retiring and then coming back on a consultancy basis. The professor informs me that this is something that happens and I want to know about that within Mr. Field's department.

Public Accounts Committee: University of Limerick: Financial Statements 2014-2015 (30 Mar 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: Yes.

Public Accounts Committee: University of Limerick: Financial Statements 2014-2015 (30 Mar 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: Who might that be?

Public Accounts Committee: University of Limerick: Financial Statements 2014-2015 (30 Mar 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: No, I want to know about the position. I am not interested in the name.

Public Accounts Committee: University of Limerick: Financial Statements 2014-2015 (30 Mar 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: The former financial controller. Would that person have been the financial controller when all of the controversy around person A was in play?

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