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Public Accounts Committee: Implications of CervicalCheck Revelations (Resumed)
2016 Financial Statements of the State Claims Agency (Resumed)
2016 Financial Statements of the HSE (Resumed)
(17 May 2018)

Alan Kelly: I am sure Minister Harris is watching this.

Public Accounts Committee: Implications of CervicalCheck Revelations (Resumed)
2016 Financial Statements of the State Claims Agency (Resumed)
2016 Financial Statements of the HSE (Resumed)
(17 May 2018)

Alan Kelly: Sorry to be rude but I have to-----

Public Accounts Committee: Implications of CervicalCheck Revelations (Resumed)
2016 Financial Statements of the State Claims Agency (Resumed)
2016 Financial Statements of the HSE (Resumed)
(17 May 2018)

Alan Kelly: Regarding the documents or memos that Mr. Gleeson drafted and that were signed by Dr. O'Keeffe, did he give them to Dr. O'Keeffe for observation? Did she change them in any way? Did she make any alterations to any of his documents?

Public Accounts Committee: Implications of CervicalCheck Revelations (Resumed)
2016 Financial Statements of the State Claims Agency (Resumed)
2016 Financial Statements of the HSE (Resumed)
(17 May 2018)

Alan Kelly: Yes. Did Dr. O'Keeffe make any changes to them?

Public Accounts Committee: Implications of CervicalCheck Revelations (Resumed)
2016 Financial Statements of the State Claims Agency (Resumed)
2016 Financial Statements of the HSE (Resumed)
(17 May 2018)

Alan Kelly: Please find out and forward them.

Public Accounts Committee: Implications of CervicalCheck Revelations (Resumed)
2016 Financial Statements of the State Claims Agency (Resumed)
2016 Financial Statements of the HSE (Resumed)
(17 May 2018)

Alan Kelly: She did not make any changes. That is important. What is the legal firm that was employed? Mr. Connaghan said earlier he hired a legal team.

Public Accounts Committee: Implications of CervicalCheck Revelations (Resumed)
2016 Financial Statements of the State Claims Agency (Resumed)
2016 Financial Statements of the HSE (Resumed)
(17 May 2018)

Alan Kelly: I want to make a suggestion to Mr. John Connaghan because I obviously raised issues with him that I am concerned about. Has somebody in his organisation been tasked with securing and locking down all data and records, electronically and otherwise, across the organisation?

Public Accounts Committee: Implications of CervicalCheck Revelations (Resumed)
2016 Financial Statements of the State Claims Agency (Resumed)
2016 Financial Statements of the HSE (Resumed)
(17 May 2018)

Alan Kelly: Good. I do not need to know who it is but I just want confirmation that it is happening.

Public Accounts Committee: Implications of CervicalCheck Revelations (Resumed)
2016 Financial Statements of the State Claims Agency (Resumed)
2016 Financial Statements of the HSE (Resumed)
(17 May 2018)

Alan Kelly: In other words, it is so people will not delete stuff to cover their backsides.

Public Accounts Committee: Implications of CervicalCheck Revelations (Resumed)
2016 Financial Statements of the State Claims Agency (Resumed)
2016 Financial Statements of the HSE (Resumed)
(17 May 2018)

Alan Kelly: One would be surprised. We had the gardaĆ­ in here a number of times.

Public Accounts Committee: Implications of CervicalCheck Revelations (Resumed)
2016 Financial Statements of the State Claims Agency (Resumed)
2016 Financial Statements of the HSE (Resumed)
(17 May 2018)

Alan Kelly: I was the person who asked National Cancer Registry Ireland to come here. I have three more questions. I cannot understand what is going on between CervicalCheck and the National Cancer Registry. The Minister was let down badly in the way he had to be provided with the information. I refer to the facts that there was a lack of knowledge of this in the Department and that it was told...

Public Accounts Committee: Implications of CervicalCheck Revelations (Resumed)
2016 Financial Statements of the State Claims Agency (Resumed)
2016 Financial Statements of the HSE (Resumed)
(17 May 2018)

Alan Kelly: Thanks for the brevity. When it comes to CervicalCheck, it is signed but it is only one way.

Public Accounts Committee: Implications of CervicalCheck Revelations (Resumed)
2016 Financial Statements of the State Claims Agency (Resumed)
2016 Financial Statements of the HSE (Resumed)
(17 May 2018)

Alan Kelly: For how long has Cancer Registry Ireland or CervicalCheck been trying to get this information to match? I am not trying to catch anyone out here because I believe there were genuine efforts.

Public Accounts Committee: Implications of CervicalCheck Revelations (Resumed)
2016 Financial Statements of the State Claims Agency (Resumed)
2016 Financial Statements of the HSE (Resumed)
(17 May 2018)

Alan Kelly: Does anyone from CervicalCheck wish to give its version of the story? I am not trying to catch the witnesses out because I believe there are other issues here.

Public Accounts Committee: Implications of CervicalCheck Revelations (Resumed)
2016 Financial Statements of the State Claims Agency (Resumed)
2016 Financial Statements of the HSE (Resumed)
(17 May 2018)

Alan Kelly: Ultimately, data protection issues were the reason. This is a big concern. This is important. Data protection issues are the reason we have two different databases. We know from Dr. Hickey's correspondence that there are issues with the internal databases within CervicalCheck. The two sets of databases could not talk because of data protection. Is that an appropriate summary?

Public Accounts Committee: Implications of CervicalCheck Revelations (Resumed)
2016 Financial Statements of the State Claims Agency (Resumed)
2016 Financial Statements of the HSE (Resumed)
(17 May 2018)

Alan Kelly: What efforts were made over the years? I would say efforts were made. How could they not be concluded? Was the Department of Health aware of this issue? My question is for by delegates.

Public Accounts Committee: Implications of CervicalCheck Revelations (Resumed)
2016 Financial Statements of the State Claims Agency (Resumed)
2016 Financial Statements of the HSE (Resumed)
(17 May 2018)

Alan Kelly: Why did the registry not elevate it to the Department?

Public Accounts Committee: Implications of CervicalCheck Revelations (Resumed)
2016 Financial Statements of the State Claims Agency (Resumed)
2016 Financial Statements of the HSE (Resumed)
(17 May 2018)

Alan Kelly: Dr. Coffey can understand and appreciate that for people watching this meeting, and, trust me, thousands of people are watching it, even up to this hour, the idea that National Cancer Registry Ireland, which reports directly to the Department, and CervicalCheck, which comes through the Health Service Executive, HSE, and up to the Department, could not get its act together across data...

Public Accounts Committee: Implications of CervicalCheck Revelations (Resumed)
2016 Financial Statements of the State Claims Agency (Resumed)
2016 Financial Statements of the HSE (Resumed)
(17 May 2018)

Alan Kelly: So we are doing this all over again. Are the witnesses going to sort that out?

Public Accounts Committee: Implications of CervicalCheck Revelations (Resumed)
2016 Financial Statements of the State Claims Agency (Resumed)
2016 Financial Statements of the HSE (Resumed)
(17 May 2018)

Alan Kelly: When did Professor Clough-Gorr ask him?

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