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Public Accounts Committee: Implications of CervicalCheck Revelations (Resumed)
2016 Financial Statements of the State Claims Agency (Resumed)
2016 Financial Statements of the HSE (Resumed)
(17 May 2018)

Alan Kelly: I know, but it would be interesting to find out, seeing as that was a policy that was there. I will just leave that there for others to probe. I have loads of other questions and I will be back later. I address my next question to Mr. Connaghan. Has he had an opportunity to look at the documentation that has been provided?

Public Accounts Committee: Implications of CervicalCheck Revelations (Resumed)
2016 Financial Statements of the State Claims Agency (Resumed)
2016 Financial Statements of the HSE (Resumed)
(17 May 2018)

Alan Kelly: Of course, I would expect Mr. Connaghan is.

Public Accounts Committee: Implications of CervicalCheck Revelations (Resumed)
2016 Financial Statements of the State Claims Agency (Resumed)
2016 Financial Statements of the HSE (Resumed)
(17 May 2018)

Alan Kelly: Obviously, they felt the need to provide this documentation, given the information we had earlier on relating to what happened. Mr. Woods has gone and Mr. Lynch is not here, even though he was party to it. The documentation does what it says on the tin. If one correlates the documentation with the report of the colposcopists' meeting, one sees that all they achieved in six months was to...

Public Accounts Committee: Implications of CervicalCheck Revelations (Resumed)
2016 Financial Statements of the State Claims Agency (Resumed)
2016 Financial Statements of the HSE (Resumed)
(17 May 2018)

Alan Kelly: It is also made very clear in the documentation that there are discrepancies in lists in CervicalCheck.

Public Accounts Committee: Implications of CervicalCheck Revelations (Resumed)
2016 Financial Statements of the State Claims Agency (Resumed)
2016 Financial Statements of the HSE (Resumed)
(17 May 2018)

Alan Kelly: No, but the Chairman should trust me as I have taken notes. I only got this at lunchtime.

Public Accounts Committee: Implications of CervicalCheck Revelations (Resumed)
2016 Financial Statements of the State Claims Agency (Resumed)
2016 Financial Statements of the HSE (Resumed)
(17 May 2018)

Alan Kelly: This is the middle of last year and it had taken months to say the lists provided to clinicians were not accurate. How could they do this?

Public Accounts Committee: Implications of CervicalCheck Revelations (Resumed)
2016 Financial Statements of the State Claims Agency (Resumed)
2016 Financial Statements of the HSE (Resumed)
(17 May 2018)

Alan Kelly: There was correspondence of 13 July to all other general managers across the HSE. I know most of them myself but what did they do? Did this come to a head because they took the lead and demanded that it be sorted? Will Mr. Connaghan get back to this committee with the information on what they did? Will he do what Limerick did and send us on the chronology and documentation so that we can...

Public Accounts Committee: Implications of CervicalCheck Revelations (Resumed)
2016 Financial Statements of the State Claims Agency (Resumed)
2016 Financial Statements of the HSE (Resumed)
(17 May 2018)

Alan Kelly: It was not signed off.

Public Accounts Committee: Implications of CervicalCheck Revelations (Resumed)
2016 Financial Statements of the State Claims Agency (Resumed)
2016 Financial Statements of the HSE (Resumed)
(17 May 2018)

Alan Kelly: Mr. Connaghan said there was no signature.

Public Accounts Committee: Implications of CervicalCheck Revelations (Resumed)
2016 Financial Statements of the State Claims Agency (Resumed)
2016 Financial Statements of the HSE (Resumed)
(17 May 2018)

Alan Kelly: The watching public do not care about this. What is more worrying for me is that, in order to make this jigsaw come together, Mr. Woods is gone and he was not here to answer questions. Everyone is entitled to leave but I will not take leave during a general election because I have to fight it. We are talking about critical people at the highest level under the director general in the HSE,...

Public Accounts Committee: Implications of CervicalCheck Revelations (Resumed)
2016 Financial Statements of the State Claims Agency (Resumed)
2016 Financial Statements of the HSE (Resumed)
(17 May 2018)

Alan Kelly: I would guess the people of whom I speak are at the higher end of that scale.

Public Accounts Committee: Implications of CervicalCheck Revelations (Resumed)
2016 Financial Statements of the State Claims Agency (Resumed)
2016 Financial Statements of the HSE (Resumed)
(17 May 2018)

Alan Kelly: My point stands, nevertheless. I asked for information relating to the meetings of the lead colposcopists. We asked for the minutes but we got them once, in October. Why did we not get the follow-on meetings, the meetings with gynaecologists? I ask the journalists watching to go through the published list and ask why so many of these clinicians did not ask about the best way of informing...

Public Accounts Committee: Implications of CervicalCheck Revelations (Resumed)
2016 Financial Statements of the State Claims Agency (Resumed)
2016 Financial Statements of the HSE (Resumed)
(17 May 2018)

Alan Kelly: What happened in October? There was a meeting in October.

Public Accounts Committee: Implications of CervicalCheck Revelations (Resumed)
2016 Financial Statements of the State Claims Agency (Resumed)
2016 Financial Statements of the HSE (Resumed)
(17 May 2018)

Alan Kelly: I have one last question for Mr. McCallion. On what date did he take over from Mr. Lynch?

Public Accounts Committee: Implications of CervicalCheck Revelations (Resumed)
2016 Financial Statements of the State Claims Agency (Resumed)
2016 Financial Statements of the HSE (Resumed)
(17 May 2018)

Alan Kelly: No. When did he take over from Mr. Lynch?

Public Accounts Committee: Implications of CervicalCheck Revelations (Resumed)
2016 Financial Statements of the State Claims Agency (Resumed)
2016 Financial Statements of the HSE (Resumed)
(17 May 2018)

Alan Kelly: It was 11 May.

Public Accounts Committee: Implications of CervicalCheck Revelations (Resumed)
2016 Financial Statements of the State Claims Agency (Resumed)
2016 Financial Statements of the HSE (Resumed)
(17 May 2018)

Alan Kelly: It was Friday, 11 May.

Public Accounts Committee: Implications of CervicalCheck Revelations (Resumed)
2016 Financial Statements of the State Claims Agency (Resumed)
2016 Financial Statements of the HSE (Resumed)
(17 May 2018)

Alan Kelly: It is amazing that Mr. Lynch transferred responsibility at the same time the question of an "investigator" being part of the investigation arose. That is an amazing coincidence.

Public Accounts Committee: Implications of CervicalCheck Revelations (Resumed)
2016 Financial Statements of the State Claims Agency (Resumed)
2016 Financial Statements of the HSE (Resumed)
(17 May 2018)

Alan Kelly: It is amazing because there were many media queries around that same time.

Public Accounts Committee: Implications of CervicalCheck Revelations (Resumed)
2016 Financial Statements of the State Claims Agency (Resumed)
2016 Financial Statements of the HSE (Resumed)
(17 May 2018)

Alan Kelly: He references three. I do not know why Mr. Gleeson is looking at me as though I would know. I do not know why I should know.

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