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Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: EU Regulation on Veterinary Medicinal Products (Resumed): Department of Agriculture, Food and the Marine (6 Oct 2021)

Matt Carthy: No, I mean farmers in this jurisdiction sourcing prescription medicines illegally.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: EU Regulation on Veterinary Medicinal Products (Resumed): Department of Agriculture, Food and the Marine (6 Oct 2021)

Matt Carthy: How many infractions or instances of that happening have been identified this year?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: EU Regulation on Veterinary Medicinal Products (Resumed): Department of Agriculture, Food and the Marine (6 Oct 2021)

Matt Carthy: Is it many? Is it dozens?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: EU Regulation on Veterinary Medicinal Products (Resumed): Department of Agriculture, Food and the Marine (6 Oct 2021)

Matt Carthy: Perhaps we could get that answer. The Chairman will be glad to hear that I am coming to the end. A number of committee members have mentioned the annual prescription. Does Dr. Corkery recommend it as a standard practice?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: EU Regulation on Veterinary Medicinal Products (Resumed): Department of Agriculture, Food and the Marine (6 Oct 2021)

Matt Carthy: Yes.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: EU Regulation on Veterinary Medicinal Products (Resumed): Department of Agriculture, Food and the Marine (6 Oct 2021)

Matt Carthy: I know it is permitted, but if Dr. Corkery was speaking at a conference of vets, would he recommend it as a mechanism to be employed?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: EU Regulation on Veterinary Medicinal Products (Resumed): Department of Agriculture, Food and the Marine (6 Oct 2021)

Matt Carthy: They are going to look to the Department's veterinary advisers for that advice. What would Dr. Corkery's advice be?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: EU Regulation on Veterinary Medicinal Products (Resumed): Department of Agriculture, Food and the Marine (6 Oct 2021)

Matt Carthy: My final question goes back to the availability of veterinary practices. I presume that means Dr. Corkery is very excited about the Chairman's legislation on corporate ownership.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: EU Regulation on Veterinary Medicinal Products (Resumed): Department of Agriculture, Food and the Marine (6 Oct 2021)

Matt Carthy: It is connected, a Chathaoirligh.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: EU Regulation on Veterinary Medicinal Products (Resumed): Department of Agriculture, Food and the Marine (6 Oct 2021)

Matt Carthy: I will follow up on a few of my previous questions, one of which related to the North-South issue. Can I take it as read that the witnesses accept that any divergence, North or South, from the all-Ireland animal health policy is a bad thing and that it is better when we are co-ordinated?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: EU Regulation on Veterinary Medicinal Products (Resumed): Department of Agriculture, Food and the Marine (6 Oct 2021)

Matt Carthy: Do the witnesses see a route by which we can harmonise the positions in this instance? The difficulty is that it is not devolved. As a result, we are dependent on Westminster, which is not in harmonising form at present.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: EU Regulation on Veterinary Medicinal Products (Resumed): Department of Agriculture, Food and the Marine (6 Oct 2021)

Matt Carthy: Apparently the smart way to obtain home heating oil in many places is to get a half a tank of oil filled by a local supplier and to get the other half of it filled from across the Border, where the price is substantially cheaper. There will be a bigger price difference between the two jurisdictions when our colleagues put the carbon tax up again next week.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: EU Regulation on Veterinary Medicinal Products (Resumed): Department of Agriculture, Food and the Marine (6 Oct 2021)

Matt Carthy: That is what happens when we diverge. It creates anomalies. There will always be somebody who will try to beat the system. I am not convinced any additional measures are being put in place here to address that.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: EU Regulation on Veterinary Medicinal Products (Resumed): Department of Agriculture, Food and the Marine (6 Oct 2021)

Matt Carthy: No problem. It is a good discussion because we are getting down to the practicalities and there are many practical problems. To return to the Attorney General’s advice and Department's reading of it, Mr. Doyle indicated the Attorney General's advice was emphatic. What was the question put to him? Mr. Doyle indicated the Attorney General suggested the advice should not be...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: EU Regulation on Veterinary Medicinal Products (Resumed): Department of Agriculture, Food and the Marine (6 Oct 2021)

Matt Carthy: We knew that.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: EU Regulation on Veterinary Medicinal Products (Resumed): Department of Agriculture, Food and the Marine (6 Oct 2021)

Matt Carthy: Anybody could answer that question.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: EU Regulation on Veterinary Medicinal Products (Resumed): Department of Agriculture, Food and the Marine (6 Oct 2021)

Matt Carthy: If Mr. Collins could provide the question, it would be useful.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: EU Regulation on Veterinary Medicinal Products (Resumed): Department of Agriculture, Food and the Marine (6 Oct 2021)

Matt Carthy: There were a number of references to the value of licensed merchants in the Department's opening statement. Does the Department have specific proposals in that regard? This is probably a broader question for the Department in terms of how we can support their viability.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: EU Regulation on Veterinary Medicinal Products (Resumed): Department of Agriculture, Food and the Marine (6 Oct 2021)

Matt Carthy: I note Dr. Corkery's responses to the questions about e-prescriptions and all that comes from that and his earlier response regarding decoupling. Many people who are not farmers would find one element of this difficult to envisage. If a vet advises a farmer he needs a product and the vet happens to have it in his van and can give it to the farmer, it will be very hard for the farmer to say...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: EU Regulation on Veterinary Medicinal Products (Resumed): Department of Agriculture, Food and the Marine (6 Oct 2021)

Matt Carthy: I wish to return to an earlier point regarding our approach to EU legislation. When I was a member of the European Parliament I worked on quite a number of files dealing with antimicrobial resistance. It is one of the big global challenges we face. If we screw it up, it could have a devastating impact on human health, not to mention animal health.

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