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Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (9 Mar 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: It is terrible to be asked to choose between the three issues referred to by the Chairman. The special report on the redress schemes is very important work, which is also highly topical given the turn of events around the Tuam mother and baby home and the need to re-examine the issue of mother and baby homes. Not only is this work very important, but it could also be very useful in...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (9 Mar 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: May I ask-----

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (9 Mar 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: The report is being published today and we will need to examine what it contains, but I am anxious that it not drift and that we will schedule it.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (9 Mar 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: Absolutely.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (9 Mar 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: We could reschedule.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (9 Mar 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: May I make a suggestion?

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (9 Mar 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: I will try to be helpful. Could we examine the report when it is published today?

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (9 Mar 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: Deputy Connolly is right to caution that we should not bite off more than we can chew. We can assess the report and determine whether it is possible to reschedule.

Public Accounts Committee: HSE's Patients' Private Property Accounts 2015
HSE Financial Statement 2015: Note 13 re Fair Deal Scheme
Health Repayments Scheme Donations Fund 2015
(9 Mar 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: I assume, as members of the committee, we have some influence over how this matter is dealt with. The Chairman has raised the matter, so may I proceed?

Public Accounts Committee: HSE's Patients' Private Property Accounts 2015
HSE Financial Statement 2015: Note 13 re Fair Deal Scheme
Health Repayments Scheme Donations Fund 2015
(9 Mar 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: I respect Deputy Fleming's role as Chairman of the committee. We are equal members of the committee.

Public Accounts Committee: HSE's Patients' Private Property Accounts 2015
HSE Financial Statement 2015: Note 13 re Fair Deal Scheme
Health Repayments Scheme Donations Fund 2015
(9 Mar 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: The matter has been legitimately raised. I wish to make a comment on it, if I may, and others may wish to do so equally. I think the Chairman and I are the only two members of the committee who were members of the previous committee.

Public Accounts Committee: HSE's Patients' Private Property Accounts 2015
HSE Financial Statement 2015: Note 13 re Fair Deal Scheme
Health Repayments Scheme Donations Fund 2015
(9 Mar 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: I must put it to Mr. O'Brien that when he appeared before the committee and dealt with matters relating to Grace and Anne, I think he will concede that confused information was presented to us at times in respect of the apologies given or not given. He will recall this turn of events. I am very concerned that he has given inaccurate or misleading information to the committee in respect of...

Public Accounts Committee: HSE's Patients' Private Property Accounts 2015
HSE Financial Statement 2015: Note 13 re Fair Deal Scheme
Health Repayments Scheme Donations Fund 2015
(9 Mar 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: If that is the Chairman's ruling, I will of course respect it. However, to clarify, the contact with An Garda Síochána to which I refer is in respect of publication of the Devine report. Mr. O'Brien misled the committee on that score. If the Chairman's ruling is as he has outlined, that is his ruling. However, let us be absolutely honest about this: nobody should hide behind...

Public Accounts Committee: HSE's Patients' Private Property Accounts 2015
HSE Financial Statement 2015: Note 13 re Fair Deal Scheme
Health Repayments Scheme Donations Fund 2015
(9 Mar 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: Fáilte arís Mr. O'Brien for a slightly deferred exchange. I want to ask about the HSE's role as trustee in these patient private property accounts. The funds held at 1 December 2015 amounted to €129.5 million. I do not know if Mr. O'Brien has a more up-to-date figure for 2016 as to what was held. Is the HSE's role as a trustee committed to paper somewhere? The Comptroller...

Public Accounts Committee: HSE's Patients' Private Property Accounts 2015
HSE Financial Statement 2015: Note 13 re Fair Deal Scheme
Health Repayments Scheme Donations Fund 2015
(9 Mar 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: Should there be a document?

Public Accounts Committee: HSE's Patients' Private Property Accounts 2015
HSE Financial Statement 2015: Note 13 re Fair Deal Scheme
Health Repayments Scheme Donations Fund 2015
(9 Mar 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: I made reference to concerns raised in 2014 and 2015 by the Comptroller and Auditor General. Is Mr. Mulvany satisfied that they have been addressed?

Public Accounts Committee: HSE's Patients' Private Property Accounts 2015
HSE Financial Statement 2015: Note 13 re Fair Deal Scheme
Health Repayments Scheme Donations Fund 2015
(9 Mar 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: Briefly.

Public Accounts Committee: HSE's Patients' Private Property Accounts 2015
HSE Financial Statement 2015: Note 13 re Fair Deal Scheme
Health Repayments Scheme Donations Fund 2015
(9 Mar 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: I thank Mr. Mulvany for that clarification. What is the full quantum? He said it is less than €100 in four cases. What is the total value in the 14 cases?

Public Accounts Committee: HSE's Patients' Private Property Accounts 2015
HSE Financial Statement 2015: Note 13 re Fair Deal Scheme
Health Repayments Scheme Donations Fund 2015
(9 Mar 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: When does Mr. Mulvany envisage the work will be completed?

Public Accounts Committee: HSE's Patients' Private Property Accounts 2015
HSE Financial Statement 2015: Note 13 re Fair Deal Scheme
Health Repayments Scheme Donations Fund 2015
(9 Mar 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: A few issues jump out at me regarding the fair deal scheme. First, a large measure of the money goes into private nursing homes. Second, I refer to the cost differential. I have read the paper and, therefore, I take the point around pay and conditions. One can only assume that the conditions of some workers in private nursing homes are not great if one is to be discreet about it....

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