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Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board (30 May 2024)

Alan Kelly: I see that. It goes over-----

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board (30 May 2024)

Alan Kelly: Fair enough.

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board (30 May 2024)

Alan Kelly: To be clear, there are currently no adjudications. There have been nine adjudications to date, in which BAM claimed approximately €63 million and was awarded €2.3 million.

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board (30 May 2024)

Alan Kelly: That is 3% or 4%, which is a small percentage. There have been no decisions of a conciliator since the end of April.

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board (30 May 2024)

Alan Kelly: Has the conciliator issued any decisions that the board is reviewing at the moment?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board (30 May 2024)

Alan Kelly: Are they substantial?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board (30 May 2024)

Alan Kelly: Was the board on the winning or losing side?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board (30 May 2024)

Alan Kelly: It is €2.3 million out of €63 million. When will we know the outcome of the recent conciliations that Mr. Gunning just told us about?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board (30 May 2024)

Alan Kelly: Mr. Gunning has told us of nine. He said €63 million-----

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board (30 May 2024)

Alan Kelly: Let us say the conciliator decided the contractor should be awarded more than €50 million or more than €100 million. The board has to decide whether it will accept that in the coming weeks.

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board (30 May 2024)

Alan Kelly: If it accepts it, I presume that the details will become public, like the ones that Mr. Gunning has told us about - the nine.

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board (30 May 2024)

Alan Kelly: Yes. So it will be nine, ten, eleven because there are multiples of these. There is more than one.

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board (30 May 2024)

Alan Kelly: I respect that. On the conciliations that are currently live, where the board has had the conciliator make decisions, the board now has a period to reflect on those and decide.

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board (30 May 2024)

Alan Kelly: I presume the board either accepts those or pushes them on to the High Court.

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board (30 May 2024)

Alan Kelly: That is currently the board's table.

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board (30 May 2024)

Alan Kelly: And therefore, would it be fair to say, substantial amounts?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board (30 May 2024)

Alan Kelly: Some of these conciliations would be eight or nine-figure sums.

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board (30 May 2024)

Alan Kelly: I am pretty confident that I am right about that. Half a billion extra was allocated recently to the project. I am paraphrasing when I say that the Minister said not a penny would go towards paying the contractor. Is that a substantiated statement Mr. Gunning can stand over? An extra €500-odd million has been given to close off this project and the Minister, Deputy Donnelly, said...

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board (30 May 2024)

Alan Kelly: If disputes are settled and there is an award for the contractor, whether small or large-----

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board (30 May 2024)

Alan Kelly: Or a court settlement.

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