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Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 21 - Prisons
(17 Jan 2019)

Bobby Aylward: Does that mean there is spare capacity?

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 21 - Prisons
(17 Jan 2019)

Bobby Aylward: What kind of facility is a step-down? Would these be outside the prison like the Shelton Abbey open prison?

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 21 - Prisons
(17 Jan 2019)

Bobby Aylward: That would be outside of the 12 prisons.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 21 - Prisons
(17 Jan 2019)

Bobby Aylward: Is the Irish Prison Service happy that there is enough capacity for the foreseeable future without building a new state-of-the-art prison and that we are able to handle what we have? Perhaps Ms McCaffrey can answer the question about the revolving door system also.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 21 - Prisons
(17 Jan 2019)

Bobby Aylward: What percentage of those on temporary or early release reoffend? Is there a problem where they are let out too early, reoffend and back in before one can say "boo"?

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 21 - Prisons
(17 Jan 2019)

Bobby Aylward: There are serious category prisoners such as murderers and rapists and Shelton Abbey-type prisoners. What is the cost per prisoner and the level of manpower per serious category prisoner? I do not know how many prisoners fit this category. What are the costs associated with catering for serious category prisoners? Is half the figure associated with serious category prisoners and those who...

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 21 - Prisons
(17 Jan 2019)

Bobby Aylward: For less severe categories of prisoners, there seems to be a great system in Shelton Abbey. Prisoners can walk around, but they do not walk away. From the few cases of which I am aware or with which I have dealt, it seems to be a great system. Would it be possible to make it better by having more people at that level, offering the type of community care to which Ms McCaffrey referred?

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 21 - Prisons
(17 Jan 2019)

Bobby Aylward: How many prisoners can be held in Shelton Abbey?

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 21 - Prisons
(17 Jan 2019)

Bobby Aylward: It works though.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 21 - Prisons
(17 Jan 2019)

Bobby Aylward: That sounds good. Do the officials have any comment to make on the future use of Thornton Hall by the Department of Justice and Equality? Is it still envisaged that it will be used as a state-of-the-art prison whenever the State can afford it?

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 21 - Prisons
(17 Jan 2019)

Bobby Aylward: Are we talking about for housing?

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 21 - Prisons
(17 Jan 2019)

Bobby Aylward: Deputy Connolly referred to governance matters, as I am sure others did too. A whistleblower appeared before the committee. I was very taken by him and he seemed to be very genuine. We should not, however, call him a whisteblower, as he came here as a witness, but that is the new modern name for anyone who speaks out of turn. Would that man have had to come before us to have the committee...

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 21 - Prisons
(17 Jan 2019)

Bobby Aylward: I refer to why he had to come before us as a witness.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 21 - Prisons
(17 Jan 2019)

Bobby Aylward: If all those procedures had been followed, that man would not be here in front of us. I do not want to talk about the individual case. He would not be in front of us if all those procedures were there. Surely he would have had his grievances seen and handled long before he would have to come to us.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 21 - Prisons
(17 Jan 2019)

Bobby Aylward: I want to talk about escort duties and safety for the prison warders who are going on escort duties. I am talking about prisoners going out to dentists, hospitals, doctors and so on. I was contacted by prison warders over an issue. I suppose we cannot debate it here either. It happened in Dublin, a stabbing incident of which I suppose Ms McCaffrey is well aware. A prison warder was...

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 21 - Prisons
(17 Jan 2019)

Bobby Aylward: I understand that.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 21 - Prisons
(17 Jan 2019)

Bobby Aylward: Because of this incident.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 21 - Prisons
(17 Jan 2019)

Bobby Aylward: Would that not have been normal practice before?

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 21 - Prisons
(17 Jan 2019)

Bobby Aylward: There must be an awful lot of escorting on a daily basis of prisoners who must go to dentists, doctors, hospitals or wherever to and from prison.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 21 - Prisons
(17 Jan 2019)

Bobby Aylward: That is a yearly average.

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