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Seanad: Judicial Appointments Commission Bill 2017: Committee Stage (Resumed) (9 Jul 2018)

Charles Flanagan: Senators McDowell and Craughwell and the Minister, Deputy Ross have more in common than they wish to concede. The fact that I do not agree with a Government colleague of a different party is the norm in partnership governments. I agree with a lot of what Senator Kevin Humphreys did when he was in Government. He left us, and he and his party spurned the opportunities of serving in power.

Seanad: Judicial Appointments Commission Bill 2017: Committee Stage (Resumed) (9 Jul 2018)

Charles Flanagan: Senator Humphreys and his colleagues might have had the opportunity, which we would have wished them to have, to make a more positive and constructive contribution to Government Bills.

Seanad: Judicial Appointments Commission Bill 2017: Committee Stage (Resumed) (9 Jul 2018)

Charles Flanagan: Senator Humphreys may well have an opportunity at some future date.

Seanad: Judicial Appointments Commission Bill 2017: Committee Stage (Resumed) (9 Jul 2018)

Charles Flanagan: I refer to the consultation-----

Seanad: Judicial Appointments Commission Bill 2017: Committee Stage (Resumed) (9 Jul 2018)

Charles Flanagan: -----that has been mentioned on four or five occasions by Senator Craughwell and others. There was direct consultation. It did not consist of phone calls. It was round-table consultation that was meaningful. It might not have produced the desired result for everybody in the room. Agreement was not reached with the Judiciary. That seemed to be a step too far. I do not think it is any...

Seanad: Judicial Appointments Commission Bill 2017: Committee Stage (Resumed) (9 Jul 2018)

Charles Flanagan: To answer the questions directly, I will make two points in response to Senators McDowell and Humphreys. Yes, I would be satisfied to be held to account, so long as I am Minister for Justice and Equality, in regard to the nominations to the Government of names that are to be recommended to the President for appointment to the courts. I feel very strongly about the need to ensure the courts...

Seanad: Judicial Appointments Commission Bill 2017: Committee Stage (Resumed) (9 Jul 2018)

Charles Flanagan: I did not say that.

Seanad: Judicial Appointments Commission Bill 2017: Committee Stage (Resumed) (9 Jul 2018)

Charles Flanagan: No, I did not. I said it may not require the intense deliberation of the full committee but they will all be present.

Seanad: Judicial Appointments Commission Bill 2017: Committee Stage (Resumed) (9 Jul 2018)

Charles Flanagan: That is a speculative question and does not require an answer.

Seanad: Judicial Appointments Commission Bill 2017: Committee Stage (Resumed) (9 Jul 2018)

Charles Flanagan: I agree with Senator Bacik. Of course she did not make any reference to any persons who might not be suitably qualified. I expect and am of the view that what is in section 12 is sufficient. If there are issues that arise in the context of the debate, I would be happy to engage further. Senator Craughwell outlined a hypothetical example such as one of the persons involved in the...

Seanad: Judicial Appointments Commission Bill 2017: Committee Stage (Resumed) (9 Jul 2018)

Charles Flanagan: I did not answer that question. My apologies to the Senator. Last week, I referred to the functions of the Legal Services Regulatory Authority. Among the work it is currently undertaking is a report on education. I do not yet have the report but expect to receive it in the coming months. I expect it will deal precisely with the issues raised by Senator Clifford-Lee regarding perceived...

Seanad: Judicial Appointments Commission Bill 2017: Committee Stage (Resumed) (9 Jul 2018)

Charles Flanagan: I am not.

Seanad: Judicial Appointments Commission Bill 2017: Committee Stage (Resumed) (9 Jul 2018)

Charles Flanagan: Not too many. The Senator said "too many". What Minister would accept "too many" amendments?

Seanad: Judicial Appointments Commission Bill 2017: Committee Stage (Resumed) (9 Jul 2018)

Charles Flanagan: I may take the Senator literally but I do not take him seriously.

Seanad: Judicial Appointments Commission Bill 2017: Committee Stage (Resumed) (9 Jul 2018)

Charles Flanagan: As Senator Higgins quite rightly says, the amendment operates on section 11, in particular section 11(1)(b) allowing for certain remuneration, if any, and allowances for expenses, if any, as determined to be paid to certain members of the commission. The amendment seeks to insert into the subsection a particular category of expenses, namely, expenses for training appropriate to the functions...

Seanad: Judicial Appointments Commission Bill 2017: Committee Stage (Resumed) (9 Jul 2018)

Charles Flanagan: It would be my intention to come back with a form of wording that would meet the import of what the Senator is saying.

Seanad: Judicial Appointments Commission Bill 2017: Committee Stage (Resumed) (9 Jul 2018)

Charles Flanagan: I thank Senator Norris for that.

Seanad: Judicial Appointments Commission Bill 2017: Committee Stage (Resumed) (9 Jul 2018)

Charles Flanagan: It is within the context of section 11 that I will come back, having regard to the fact that this is a part-time position, and that there will be terms and conditions around services, allowances and expenses, and that if there is a fund it will be limited. I do not envisage a situation that we have seen in the public service where a training voucher is given to equip someone to qualify as a...

Seanad: Judicial Appointments Commission Bill 2017: Committee Stage (Resumed) (9 Jul 2018)

Charles Flanagan: The spirit of consensus did not last more than three minutes.

Seanad: Judicial Appointments Commission Bill 2017: Committee Stage (Resumed) (9 Jul 2018)

Charles Flanagan: They could be garage men.

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