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Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 21 - Prisons
(17 Jan 2019)

Seán Fleming: What happens then? Do they just go off the payroll?

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 21 - Prisons
(17 Jan 2019)

Seán Fleming: At the end of their sick leave-----

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 21 - Prisons
(17 Jan 2019)

Seán Fleming: A which?

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 21 - Prisons
(17 Jan 2019)

Seán Fleming: It is on basis they can be fully-----

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 21 - Prisons
(17 Jan 2019)

Seán Fleming: Obviously, if people have suffered a serious injury in the course of their work and they are capable of doing lighter work but not capable of ever doing the full restraint and control that is required in prison, they are in limbo. I am well aware of the situation from reading the reply to one of the parliamentary questions I asked last year on temporary rehabilitation and remuneration. The...

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 21 - Prisons
(17 Jan 2019)

Seán Fleming: I am reading from the Minister's reply to the parliamentary question, which I am sure Mr. Culliton helped to draft. Somebody did so.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 21 - Prisons
(17 Jan 2019)

Seán Fleming: The injury warrant is this thing through the Department of Public Expenditure and Reform-----

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 21 - Prisons
(17 Jan 2019)

Seán Fleming: -----that does not happen in practice anyway.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 21 - Prisons
(17 Jan 2019)

Seán Fleming: At a lower grade. At what grade would they take up that post? Would they do it on their current salary?

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 21 - Prisons
(17 Jan 2019)

Seán Fleming: In other words, at the end of the day, if the Prison Service does not have a reasonable accommodation facility available, the person might get an administrative post or might be transferred to another post in the Civil Service.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 21 - Prisons
(17 Jan 2019)

Seán Fleming: There would be a serious reduction in pay in some cases.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 21 - Prisons
(17 Jan 2019)

Seán Fleming: What has come up here a few times is the role of the chief medical officer. Is that an employee of the Irish Prison Service?

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 21 - Prisons
(17 Jan 2019)

Seán Fleming: Sometimes Prison Service staff are trapped between the chief medical officer and the Prison Service. To get out the way they want, the chief medical officer must sign something, but he says it is not his problem if he thinks they are capable of working but the Prison Service cannot reasonably accommodate them. Some people find themselves trapped. Does Mr. Culliton have influence to tell...

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 21 - Prisons
(17 Jan 2019)

Seán Fleming: People have to get certificates of impairment from the chief medical officer if they want an injury warrant, but now I realise the injury warrant is a waste of time because the Department of Public Expenditure and Reform does not use it. In response to another parliamentary question last year, I was told the number of people who retired from the Irish Prison Service due to ill health in 2017...

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 21 - Prisons
(17 Jan 2019)

Seán Fleming: I understand the Prison Service is confined to the public service schemes and I know it is looking for a review, but we still have these situations. The Irish Prison Service is trying to recruit people, but people being recruited into a uniformed service, whether the Garda or whatever, and we are speaking about the Irish Prison Service today, know that if they get stabbed in the course of...

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 21 - Prisons
(17 Jan 2019)

Seán Fleming: There is a lack of humanity somewhere in people having their own silo. The injured prison officer is the person who is caught.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 21 - Prisons
(17 Jan 2019)

Seán Fleming: I have covered a bit of ground in terms of injury warrants and the chief medical officer. Will the Prison Service put together a piece of paper for the benefit of the committee? The conversation moved from the Department of Public Expenditure and Reform to the criminal injuries compensation tribunal. I am not asking the witnesses to comment but why would somebody injured in the course of...

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 21 - Prisons
(17 Jan 2019)

Seán Fleming: Fine. Let us say this has happened.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 21 - Prisons
(17 Jan 2019)

Seán Fleming: Unlawful stabbing is criminal but, we will not deal with that case. We will generalise the principles.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 21 - Prisons
(17 Jan 2019)

Seán Fleming: That is criminal. There are assaults on prison officers and that is who I am trying to protect in this case. Why would the people involved in some of these cases feel the need to go to the High Court? Do they fare better in the High Court than at the criminal injuries compensation tribunal? The Prison Service must have some indication because it is the employer.

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